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  • ichatterbot ichatterbot Apr 26, 2013 5:33 PM Flag

    Live satellite TV over LTE on every Sprint smartphone or tablet, anywhere

    The Sprint deal could allow Dish to deliver live satellite/cable TV over every Sprint smartphone or tablet, which can be used as a dvr. right now video is delivered to each smart device user as an individual stream, so it is very network intensive, but dish could be in a position to broadcast tv channels....which is much more efficient for live and heavily watched programming. the handset can also be used as a dvr. this is a huge value add for consumers.

    plus, even on the VOD side...Sprint/DISH/CLWR will have a truly massive amount of spectrum that dwarfs AT&T or VZ on a per user basis. this combo will be able deliver video better than anyone.

    video is an addiction. like alcohol, sugar, and nicotine.

    if dish builds this network, the consumer will come.

    Sentiment: Buy

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    • A deal with or without DISH ... LTE-A with enough spectrum, enough video server capacity, and enough backhaul interconnect in the hands of Sprint, Verizon, AT&T can be used to deliver TV services. Neither the cable or satellite operators have an inherent monopoly on TV or movie content and currently leading 'franchises' including the packaging schemes, sports franchises, movie archives and other premium content are open to change. Just as new players like HuLu have cropped up to become major outlets for content, there is nothing that prevents operators from forging agreements with the existing or new content services... except marketshare allegiance. That brings up the question: What is the market for video services consist of and how 'hard' is the marketshare? Video is a commodity and more content is being generated by users or small production companies and is found on YouTube, Vimeo and other open sites. To what degree are users locked in?

      IPTV, Internet Protocol TV. There is a lot in that name. Its TV, movie, corporate, government or other content that can be accessed using Internet communications/addressing protocols. It can be real time or it can be VOD, video on demand, anytime, anywhere, on any device with sufficient screen resolution etc.

      Who "owns" IPTV? Do cable companies? Satellite companies? To some degree they do own this media: to the extent the content is coming over fixed lines or there are few alternatives, such as satellite TV's attractiveness in rural areas. If the companies also produce content or have bought up exclusive content agreements, such as sports content, they control it to the extent governed by the contracts. However, even that is not sacrosanct: Do you think the NBA or other sports organization will turn down sources of revenue if the nature of the media industry changes? Of course - they will want to be seen by as many eyeballs as possible. As eyeballs shift to mobile screens, everyone selling stuff will want a part.

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      • Team: good guess

        Dish is already tipping thier hand in their newest commercial where the guy is watching TV on his iPad on e porch. But where dish , and everyone else, falls flat is the requirement for IPTV. It just won't work if 350 million Americans are Pulling tv onto thier iPhones . The bandwidth does not exsist for real time streaming of live events. Sure you can dvr them to a "hopper" but who wants to watch a delayed superbowl ... Dish can't avoid this

        The solution : we'll that still needs the clearwire bandwidth , actually they have one liscense dish really covets (as do I).. The real solution is sattelite source transmission directly down to each device. No towers and broader customer reach - worldwide.

        Dish can't push the signal down form Echostar 7 (or whichever) into your iPad.. There just to high. So dish gets chained to towers :-( and all those bandwidth constraints ..

        The real revolution is orbital sat's pushing TV down to any device.. So no receiver dish. You can't power up sat's that much. So you have to reduce the distance - and who can live in low earth orbit? Ask global star .. They were dead in 3 years.

        Enter SDR technology and google a company called Silicon Space Technology with their HardSil technology (Austin TX). The solution is not towers it's low earth orbit. Closer means I can push a signal down to your iPhone just like pushing it to your TV. SDR doesn't care about the frequency it can push to all. Oribit brings in every person on that lattitude, not just those directly below your geostationary.

        DISH's dream - and Jobs .. Was tv for all and no Comcast in the middle. Jobs made devices ! Dish is a service provider, neither had the technology to build the network - there is only one. Question is will Silicon Space Technology build it..

        If you build it they will come .. Hear that Wes.....

        Joshua w Morris

    • I'll cancel my Sprint service if this deal goes thru and I'm sure many others will follow.

      Sentiment: Hold

    • Another thing: LTE, even WiMAX for that matter, is designed to deliver unicast, multicast or broadcast type data. The use of these is a matter of how the supporting network is built and access to the needed spectrum. Unicast, point-to-point type transmission is basically similar to connecting to YouTube or otehr video sources and receiving an individual stream of data back to your desktop, Internet driven wide screen TV, or mobile device.. it is inefficient and is dependent on both the load on the video servers and the end-to-end capacity of the network with the weakest link being what determines quality.

      There are methods that are developed for the WRAN, wide-area radio access network and the back-haul and fiber optic to server portions of the network-video server systems to reduce constraints. These include dispersal of cloud based services geographically and, as capital allows it, to build capacity closer to users including caching of data within the network for local connection.

      The problem for conventional TV suppliers is that demand is growing for on-demand video. Even that can be shifted such that multiple points can be collected for simultaneous transmission of popular content. DISH is just another IP supplier.. they have content and other resources but the delivery mechanism is becoming generic.. such that the differentiation is how you deliver content, producing some of it yourself, or having hottest devices, ease of use, etc. DISH nor anyone else can erect 'lines in the sky' or in IP delivery.

    • so instead of broadcasting the tv channels over satellite spectrum which doesn't go through walls, etc....DISH could broadcast the signal on LTE spectrum and deliver it to your car, smartphone, tablet, laptop, etc, anywhere,...basically turning any LTE device into a TV and DVR.

      now obviously, consumers can just subscribe to DISH tv and get their top of the line dvr and watch the content when they are home. or save it on dvr and transfer it to their portable device.

      but, by broadcasting tv over lte, it really stream lines the mobile video experience.

      • 2 Replies to ichatterbot
      • You are making many errors in your assumption.DISH plans to use acquired MSS spectrum for LTE. This is a mid-band set of frequencies that is considered to be fair for signal propagation while good for broadband density. It is not among the low frequencies such as 700MHz in which signals travel longer distances and through walls and other obstacles better. However, it is also not among the frequency bands over about 2.2GHz where signal range drops off and is more affected by environmental factors and is absorbed more by common building materials, foliage.. or just rain and wet leaves on trees.

        "The best frequency band is multiple bands" The approach that is now coming forward is to use 3G+ and 4G technology within a IP based network on which common devices can operate. The best frequency, therefore, becomes the one that achieves the better signal, is less congested with other traffic, or where the band width is wider/higher capacity. LTE-Advanced was developed with aggregation of multiple carrier networks in mind... its part of the ITU IMT-Advanced requirements and 3GPP LTE-A specifications. This is where US operators including Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile/pcs are all headed.

        DISH has a valuable mid-band spectrum but need mobile operation and subscribers. Baring acquiring Sprint, which I think very unlikely, DISH can build their own network and do deals or a joint venture with mobile operators or an existing MVNO like American Movil. The latter won't provide direct use of other bands of spectrum but would allow mobile service coverage with low capital requirements.

      • I forgot to mention that this deal effectively turns every Sprint store into a place to sell DISH TV service.

        SO, think about buying a smartphone. You buy minutes, you buy data, text messaging..etc. BUT NOW, you can also buy full HD satellite TV service as well on any device that is connected to Sprint's LTE network. This is going to explode TV net adds. This will be the killer app for purchasing tablets. imagine if every single smartphone or tablet you own can become an HD DVR....usable anywhere in the US. Imagine you are driving from Chicago to NYC....everyone in the car (except driver) can watch Game of Thrones as they drive in LIVE FULL HD.

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