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  • hap91934 hap91934 May 2, 2013 12:15 PM Flag

    Pentagon Cancells First Amendment In The Military???

    Pentagon May Court Martial Soldiers Who Share Christian Faith

    The Pentagon has released a statement confirming that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith: "Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense...Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis...”.
    The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith.

    (From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians--including chaplains--sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)

    Being convicted in a court martial means that a soldier has committed a crime under federal military law. Punishment for a court martial can include imprisonment and being dishonorably discharged from the military.

    So President Barack Obama’s civilian appointees who lead the Pentagon are confirming that the military will make it a crime--possibly resulting in imprisonment--for those in uniform to share their faith. This would include chaplains—military officers who are ordained clergymen of their faith (mostly Christian pastors or priests, or Jewish rabbis)--whose duty since the founding of the U.S. military under George Washington is to teach their faith and minister to the spiritual needs of troops who come to them for counsel, instruction, or comfort.

    This regulation would severely limit expressions of faith in the military, even on a one-to-one basis between close friends. It could also effectively abolish the position of chaplain in the military, as it would not allow chaplains (or any service members, for that matter), to say anything about their faith that others say led them to think they were being encouraged to make faith part of their life. It’s difficult to imagine how a member of the clergy could give spiritual counseling without saying anything that might be perceived in that fashion.

    In response to the Pentagon’s plans, retired Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, who is now executive vice president of the Family Research Council (FRC), said on Fox & Friends Wednesday morning:

    It’s a matter of what do they mean by "proselytizing." ...I think they’ve got their defintions a little confused. If you’re talking about coercion that’s one thing, but if you’re talking about the free exercise of our faith as individual soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, especially for the chaplains, they I think the worst thing we can do is stop the ability for a soldier to be able to exercise his faith.”
    FRC has launched a petition here which has already collected over 60,000 signatures, calling on Secretary Hagel is stop working with Weinstein and his anti-Christian organization to develop military policy regarding religious faith.

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    • First of all, this wouldn't be the first time the Pentagon has impeded the First Amendment; back in the Bush years, the Pentagon banned media photos of coffins of servicemen returning from overseas.

      Second, nobody (except of course the gang of Christian fundamalists at FRC) is confused about what "proselytizing" means.

      pros·e·lyt·ize [pros-uh-li-tahyz]
      verb (used with object), verb (used without object), pros·e·lyt·ized, pros·e·lyt·iz·ing.
      to convert or attempt to convert as a proselyte; recruit.

      So sharing isn't the same as proselytizing. If you're a Christian member of the armed services, you won't be denied access to a chaplain. In fact, chaplains aren't limited to Christianity.

      "(Wikipedia) Traditionally, a chaplain is a minister in a specialized setting such as a priest, pastor, rabbi, imam, lay representative of a world view attached to a secular institution such as a hospital, prison, military unit, police department, university, or private chapel. Though originally the word "chaplain" referred to representatives of the Christian faith,[1] it is now applied to men and women of other religions or philosophical traditions–such as in the case of the humanist chaplains serving with military forces in the Netherlands and Belgium.[2] In recent years many lay individuals have received professional training in chaplaincy and are now appointed as chaplains in schools, hospitals, universities, prisons and elsewhere to work alongside or instead of official members of the clergy.[3] The concept of 'generic' and/or 'multifaith' chaplaincy is also gaining increasing support, particularly within healthcare and educational settings.[4]"

      At first glance I would guess the Pentagon's new "mandate" is expressly designed to prevent US troops from attempting to convert Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc to Christianity. Religious freedom, in the American sense, is the freedom to subjugate everyone to Christian doctrine.

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      • "At first glance I would guess the Pentagon's new "mandate" is expressly designed to prevent US troops from attempting to convert Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc to Christianity. Religious freedom, in the American sense, is the freedom to subjugate everyone to Christian doctrine."

        Ah come on carson. You know as well as I that religious freedom now means that it is cool to bash Christians and Muslims, and absolutely a sin to bash Jews.

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