very interesting. one thing i noticed yesterday is that when the market started to dive, for the first time in months it appeared there was little or no intervention like has been magically happening or it was ineffective. today the move in gold was violent. sep 40s GG were trading @ .30 this morning and they closed around 1.55. this leads me to believe that whatever dislocation forces are at work, they appear to be outside the normal cabal of us market manipulators/controllers. have to watch the futs in the morning. last few weeks everytime asia looked weak or there was potentially negative news S&Ps would be bot pre-market.