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  • m.swanger m.swanger Dec 8, 2012 2:36 PM Flag

    GM cars no one wanted


    the union did not cause these vehicles to not sell. It was design,engineering or poor gas mileage that did. I think iffydog you resent the fact you either were not qualified to get a good paying auto job or were let go due to incompetance. No logical person posts anti anything-whether union,taxes,etc.--day after day. If your posts stressed a logival point and you gave data that is different. Jeyebolt receives alot of disdain by some posters, however he often backs his with reviewable data. Perhaps you might immolate him?----you know sort of like a hero

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    • "Perhaps you might immolate him?"

      I do hope you meant "emulate".

      Unless of course you were referring to "iffydog".

    • How about the Malibu and the Chevy Sliverado?

    • I don't want to support the people who killed GM......not in any way, shape, or form.


      Sentiment: Strong Sell

      • 2 Replies to webuchadnezzar_reva
      • So killing GM along with the UAW is acceptable? According to one poster, 7 of 10 GM cars are imported (I know, that's totally wrong, but around 500,000 cars/trucks ARE imported (CYTD 2.35 million sold in the U.S., 1.87 million produced in the U.S.).

        Why not one of those?

      • Time to bring back what Pat Buchcanan said, because web wtill doesn't get it.
        Who killed the U.S. auto industry?

        To hear the media tell it, arrogant corporate chiefs failed to foresee
        the demand for small, fuel-efficient cars and made gas-guzzling road-hog
        SUVs no one wanted, while the clever, far-sighted Japanese, Germans and
        Koreans prepared and built for the future.

        I dissent. What killed Detroit was Washington, the government of the
        United States, politicians, journalists and muckrakers who have long
        harbored a deep animus against the manufacturing class that ran the
        smokestack industries that won World War II.

        As far back as the 1950s, an intellectual elite that produces mostly
        methane had its knives out for the auto industry of which Ike's treasury
        secretary, ex-GM chief Charles Wilson, had boasted, "What's good for America
        is good for General Motors, and vice versa."

        "Engine Charlie" was relentlessly mocked, even in Al Capp's L'il Abner
        cartoon strip, where a bloviating "General Bullmoose" had as his motto,
        "What's good for Bullmoose is good for America!"

        How did Big Government do in the U.S. auto industry?

        Washington imposed a minimum wage higher than the average wage in
        war-devastated Germany and Japan. The Feds ordered that U.S. plants be made
        the healthiest and safest worksites in the world, creating OSHA to see to
        it. It enacted civil rights laws to ensure the labor force reflected our
        diversity. Environmental laws came next, to ensure U.S. factories became the
        most pollution-free on earth.

        It then clamped fuel efficiency standards on the entire U.S. car

        Next, Washington imposed a corporate tax rate of 35 percent, raking
        off another 15 percent of autoworkers' wages in Social Security payroll

        State governments imposed income and sales taxes, and local
        governments property taxes to subsidize services and schools.

        The United Auto Workers struck repeatedly to win the highest wages and
        most generous benefits on earth -- vacations, holidays, work breaks, health
        care, pensions -- for workers and their families, and retirees.

        Now there is nothing wrong with making U.S. plants the cleanest and
        safest on earth or having U.S. autoworkers the highest-paid wage earners.

        That is the dream, what we all wanted for America.

        And under the 14th Amendment, GM, Ford and Chrysler had to obey the
        same U.S. laws and pay at the same tax rates. Outside the United States,
        however, there was and is no equality of standards or taxes.

        Thus when America was thrust into the Global Economy, GM and Ford had
        to compete with cars made overseas in factories in postwar Japan and
        Germany, then Korea, where health and safety standards were much lower,
        wages were a fraction of those paid U.S. workers, and taxes were and are
        often forgiven on exports to the United States.

        All three nations built "export-driven" economies.

        The Beetle and early Japanese imports were made in factories where
        wages were far beneath U.S. wages and working conditions would have gotten
        U.S. auto executives sent to prison.

        The competition was manifestly unfair, like forcing Secretariat to
        carry 100 pounds in his saddlebags in the Derby.

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