Rimtards fail to realize that we are all spectators watching the train wreck that is RIM implode. It is not the responsibility of Bears or Bulls to come up with anything. All the fundamentals are horrendous. And the company tells you to expect more of the same. Bulls are holding out hope for a turnaround simply because Thor told them so. Bears have a track record of the dual CEO's saying the same thing as well as the Playbook which can be looked at right here today to see what the market reception of QNX will be.