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  • winallin12 winallin12 May 10, 2012 7:49 AM Flag

    Barry says "troops fighting on my behalf"

    He would be King

    "But Mr. Obama actually did bare his soul unintentionally today (perhaps the Biden disease is catching) with his astonishing characterization of American fighting men and women, whom he referred to as “those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf.” Really?

    Most Americans thought they were fighting for the country, not on Barack Obama’s behalf. Slip of the tongue, to be sure, but can one think of another president who’d have made it? They are fighting under his command, under his orders, to be sure, but this particular locution is offensive and solipsistic"

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    • BUST EM UP!! outlaw all public sector unions.

    • rog, I've never said anything about child labor, racism, or sexism. Those have been your rants. I'm not saying they didn't, at one time, exist, but they are, for the most part, non existent today and I see no need to pass more gov regulations with those problems in mind.

      Job safety, jobs are safe enough. There comes a point where the individual should be responsible for thinking for themselves. Specifically when an individual chooses not to follow the laws, the company has posted signs everywhere for safety, the guy gets hurt, and sues the company, and wins.

      Child labor.. really? But I would like to bring up your example of mr farmer putting all his kids to work on the farm. So I guess you think it's ok for dad's to make their kids work, but if that same kid wants to apply at a corporation, heck no. I am NOT for child labor, you just brought it up because you have something wrong in your head. (Same with racism and sexism)

      Last point, you bring up how your burger flipper used to be able to afford a decent life at $1.25 an hour. That same burger flipper now makes $7 or so an hour (I don't know what min wage is). The reason your burger flipper can't afford a decent life on min wage anymore is because EVERYTHING he buys pays all the other min wage workers entitlements.

      Here's what you don't understand. You can't make a company pay more taxes. You can't make a company pay more benefits. All you do is make the company's customers pay more taxes and benefits. Those costs are added in to the company's cost of doing business, which is passed on to the consumers in the price of goods the company sells. So while you think you're giving a burger flipper more benefits, all you've done is take his choices away if he wants those benefits or decent lifestyle. You've forced him to take the benefits, and not be able to afford the luxuries he might have bought had he not been paying for everyone else's entitlements.

    • well said rogere.....but for the grace of god......we live good lives......

    • andymaxwell@prodigy.net andymaxwell May 16, 2012 4:55 PM Flag

      Rogere your windbag posts are like flotsam and jetsam. Like the great imminent runaway train wreck to be with Goldilocks' pink sheet stocks. You are truly a long winded blowhard...but GLTY

    • ntc I am impressed at all the "ME" and "I" is see in your post. No doubt about who you think about only is there? You stated "facts" and those facts are what you want to go back too?

      Child labor?
      No job safety?
      Work till you die, no worker rights or worker movement or gov to try to improve the life of workers as we both know 95% of the Corp's will not do it unless forced.
      Racism
      Sexism

      Those are the facts of the time you talk about. If you want to go back to those kind of days be my guest but don't expect me to agree with you or support that. Every time I go to a fast food joint I see people working to fix my food for the min wage and yes you pay for their health care and yes you pay for their food as you can't live on the min wage even if you work 12hrs a day. So you see that as giving YOUR money to those workers do you? How about seeing it for what it really is and you are paying so that the clown owning that business can have slave labor? Why not do what the min wage once did. It provided enough money to live a border line life, rent, food and cloths all for 1.25 an hour when 12hrs a day with the Gov making the employeer pay overtime for those extra 4hrs which I assume your against overtime pay as well. Let the free market work. Raise the min wage to 15 bucks an hour and raise all prices and let the best ran business live and the sloopy ones die but let business pay their workers a living wage and not the tax payers let the consumers pay for the living wage and not the tax payer.

      Your 37 and when I was your age I could whip the world too but you ntc are one health problem away from being unable to take care of yourself and your family. You seem to have been blessed but remember it could all be gone with one accident, one illness or a family falling apart or the one thing you will experience if you live long enough and that is old age.

      I do not know what you do for a living that you can work 12 hrs a day and be glad and happy to do it but the day is comming when your body or mind or both will tell you that those days are gone. Laugh if you want but that day is comming as sure as the sun rises in the East and nothing you can do about it. That is one reason it is a sick joke that to "fix" SS you raise the age of retirement. You can pass all the laws you want but the body & mind not the law tells you when you cut the mustard in the job market. Not all of us run a hedge for a living some folks actually use their body to produce that 12hr a day of hard labor and that takes a tool. How many old roofers or old construction workers you see at a job site? Miners and yes even on an oil rig age catches up to you. Life extracts its own price regardless of left or right Demo or Repub. Old age followed by death is the only thing you can count on if you live that long. Taxes can be evaded or controlled but not age.

      You enjoy your "me" and "I" days and all you have that you think you alone are responsible for and control time will teach the truth to you.

    • I'm just stating facts, I posted no opinion of it. I don't ever expect anyone to take care of me, I don't want benefits I don't earn, and yes, I am willing to work 12hr days. Therefore, it is not my concern if my government or my employer will baby sit me or hold my hand through life. I plan to do it alone, which is partially why I'm invested in stocks and posting on investment boards.

      The fact is China is catching up to us and will soon surpass us. I'm just telling you why. I think a big problem is your generation and the generation before you worked so hard that now you want to enjoy the benefits of that hard work. I have no problem with that. I would have much rather seen 'cash for clunkers' and the first time home buyer tax credit go to fixing social security than be handouts to my generation of entitlements. But the problem is you're passing on the desire to enjoy benefits of your hard work to people who have not yet put in the hard work. I really don't understand how you expect us to pay for everything you earned without us ever working for it, and furthermore, why you would want to.

      My biggest problem with this is my taxes pay for those people's entitlements. Or rather, my taxes pay for the debt we take on to pay my generations entitlements. I'll pay yours, you earned it. But why shouldn't my generation earn it?

    • Once were great people? Really You point to the darkest day of American history as great days and act like you want to go back. I guess you are for Jim Crow laws and racism because that was the America you said was so great. I know you want to work 12hrs a day for 6 days a week and buy at the company store because that was America. I know you would enjoy the family time together because you all went and worked together those 12hrs as no child labor laws were to be found. We didn't have an offical class system like Europe but our rich .05% lived like the nobility of Europe so it was almost the same. Public school and education was a dream and there was no SS or any benefits as you worked until you died and that was before age 65.

      Yes those were the good old days. My parents and ALL my aunts and uncles lived during the Great depression and only one of them had it made and NONE of them called it the good old days.
      I can still remember my dad talking about going without food for 3 days and feeling blessed that unlike the family beside with 3 kids his family had food even if he didn't.

      They were stronger people than we and they loved each other and took care of each other as best they could as having over 10 folks in a 3 room home was no big deal to them. If they got sick the Doctor would treat them as doctors were still healers and not cash cows and the ability to pay didn't limit a doctor's treatment of you.

      If you think job safety alone is not a huge blessing then you need to go to a graveyard in Va., Tenn, WV and Ky and read the ages on the stones of the miners who worked in the mines.

      Sorry nto your idea of the greatest days in America is not what you want or what anyone else to go back too. We and Europe left all that behind you can go to Asia today and live there if you like it so much or Africa and watch it evolve into that.

      Just to be historical accurate the time you talked about America was 50% rural and lived and worked the land. Had large families to replace those that died at birth and young as families were the labor pool on a farm as well in the emerging cities.

      Real wealth and advance in American living happened after WWII and like a clock wound up we are winding down. At 37 you are too young to know of most of this stuff and you like most don't care about real history.

    • I couldn't agree more. It will take a political and financial catastrophic event to get us to realize the problems we have lie within the people, not our government and big business.

      Or, our current fascist government / corporations will figure out how to stretch it on indefinitely and we will become just like most European countries.

      Our greatness was our willingness and ability to work those 12 hour days. That's what built America to the greatest nation on the planet. Our work ethic, our ability to get things done, our collective ability to achieve common goals was shown to the world in our Revolution against Brits, WW1, WW2, and in our breakthroughs in technology and manufacturing that built our society.

      Our labor force, our military, our government (that we voted in), are a far cry from those days. I really don't blame the government, WE voted for it. I really don't blame corporations, because WE demanded it, as consumers. And until the catastrophic event happens and we learn to fight for ourselves again, all our problems will persist.

      We can both turn to different points in history, but the truth of it, we once were the greatest people, and now we're among the laziest. And that's what happened to America.

    • Oh and you can throw Warren Buffett in their for good measure.

    • American big business. You must mean George Soros or Bill Gates or Mark Cuban or some other socialist big business corruptocrat right?

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