I bought in and lost pretty big. I wanted to believe but the more I look the more I see this is worthless. Even the picture of the product on the page is fake. It is a graphic image. And no I am not shorting or anything like that. I decided to go into MSLP. They are at least selling a product and its even on bodybuilder. You are better off putting your money there. What I have left in this one I put there. Good luck on whatever you guys decide.