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  • westcoastdoc westcoastdoc Feb 15, 2005 11:54 AM Flag


    That's the spelling word for today. I don't think shorts will be able to play the short the conference call game this time around. Options given to Hans Schmid IMO were done yesterday to take advantage of imminent rise in share price. We find out soon enough what the news is, but do you think Paolo Cavazza is buying in anticipation of bad news?

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    • yes buying in before bad news is exactly what insiders do!

      take a hint, sell now before something bad happens like making yourself some money! ps vote democrat

      • 1 Reply to javynwinterkhaos
      • Cute, did you just figure out how sarcasm works?

        When you were learning about sarcasm, did you also discover that not all insider trades are based on insider information - that, in fact, such trades are actually illegal?

        Now obviously that's a hazy grey line and all insider buying is positive. But the idea that insiders don't lose money is ridiculous. They lose money, big, frequently. Let's not get carried away with this fervent hope that the Cavazzas have illegally seen material information and traded on it. They may simply like the company.

    • Doc:

      Given that the Cavazzas bought back in December and November, when no good news was forthcoming, I think it's entirely possible they're simply buying because they like and believe in the company.

      Big players buy companies they know all the time. They don't always do it because they have access to special information.

      Again, the Cavazzas buying is very good. It doesn't necessarily mean that we're about to see our Japan data, or a partnership, or something. And it certainly doesn't mean that we're insulated from the CC play! Why on earth do you think that the shorts, who have profited from every CC we've had, would not succeed this time?!

    • "Options given to Hans Schmid IMO were done yesterday to take advantage of imminent rise in share price."

      I have to disagree there doc. As I posted below they were issued for the 2004 option grant program. Now the amount is interesting. Perhaps sales are up:)

      • 1 Reply to Randal_P_McMurphy
      • randal_p_mcmurphy. I don't like to diss you, but it seems I have to. But IMO you are wrong when you keep saying this about the 65,000 options granted to Hans Schmid...and that they were normal course of the 2004 option plan. You said a couple times:

        <<I have to disagree there doc. As I posted below they were issued for the 2004 option grant program. Now the amount is interesting. Perhaps sales are up:) >>

        As I say, i think you are wrong. But we will only know for sure if waldron & Rudolph get similar grants. why? because in March 2004 ALL regular and normal option grants were given to mgmt. THAT WAS 2004! But if you read the fine print? All those options given to ALL in March 2004 were UNDER 1995 option incentive plan! Repeat, the 1995 option incentive plan. Shareholders re authorized the option plan in 2004 proxy, and it is now the 2004 option grant program. PLEASE READ THE HIGHLIGHTS:

        <<General. The purpose of the Plan is to advance the interests of the Company by providing an incentive program that will enable us to attract, retain and reward employees, consultants and directors and to motivate such persons to contribute to the growth and profitability of the Company. These incentives are provided through the grant of stock options.

        Authorized Shares. A maximum of 2,500,000 of the authorized but unissued or reacquired shares of our Common Stock may be issued under the Plan. ... However, no more than 2,500,000 shares will be available under the Plan for issuance upon the exercise of incentive stock options....>>

        Now Randal. REGULAR mgmt options were given in MARCH 2004. Then in September 2004, THREE special option grants were given UNDER AUTHORITY of the 2004 plan.....which shareholders AGREED TO 2,500,000 SHARES IN OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO BE GIVEN (maximum)! These options in september were unique and unusual. They were given to Rudolph, Waldron and Schmid for the work they would undertake by assuming duties of Don Sellers between the three of them. I believe there was a $50,000 cash bonus payable to Waldron and Rudolph as well,as they stayed on, and that was payable in Jan 2005.

        SO? GEt it Randal? The SCLN B.O.D. has 2.5 million shares of options they can grant under the 2004 <<new approved>> option plan. In 2004 (march) they were still issuing under the 1995 OPTION plan. That changed in the shareholders vote of 2004.

        NOW, further....the timing of the option grant to Hand Schmid is WRONG....IF it is as you say, a normal option grant. WRONG. The normal mgmt option grants HAVE ALWAYS every year been given around MARCH. NOT in early february!

        I was aware of everything you said. It is a pain to always have to explain. but IMO, the 65k options to Hans Schmid were granted under a 2.5 million share plan....that will last for YEARS....and in that plan they can award SPECIAL grants, outside of normal timing, for superior performance. IMO, Hans Schmid has done something superior. I pray he got the Japan data from SGP.

        You really missed it randal. Go back to the fine print on ALL other years optins grants from 1995 - March 2004. They were all 1995 plan, that expired in early 2004 and was re authorized in 2004 voting as ne 2004 option plan. 2.5 million shares total. <<<Anytime they want>>>.

        I also pray that Waldron and Rudolph get NO options anytime soon. That would mean all mgmt is paying themselves, and NOT for one singular deed by one person, Hans Schmid. I want Hans to get 65k options for delivering SGP data to SCLN mgmt.

    • Well that's good - but Sno and Doc and others are assuming they've *SEEN DATA*, or *HEARD ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP*, or something like that.

    • >>>>and this new dude seemingly buying up all the shares he wants at $3.50, the retail investor is getting the shaft

      Would you like to correct the impression this statement creates? It seems like you're saying, "I'm objecting to people buying actual shares on the open market...this is unfair." The technical term for a person who thinks that is a moron. But I may be misinterpreting you. Maybe you just write badly. I'm giving you the chance here to retract that bizarre piece of nonsense.

    • It is not mindless, as you say, myinvestor....that I engage randal_p_mcmurphy in a legnthy discourse on teh option plans and timing of option grants. It is paramount to try and figure out why Schmid got them now. You do NOt get out of teh ordinary normal course option grants for doing something wrong. IMO, a good deed by Hans Schmid was rewarded.

      You say:

      <<Come on, you can't tell me the BOD needs a reason to grant themselves options.>>

      Excuse me, myinvestor. I am NOT talking about teh Board granting themselves options. I am very specifically interested WHY one single executive was singled out to get 65,000 shares. Got that? Next?

      << It would beat the hell out of all this mindless drivel about nothing. >>

      It is not mindless drivel. If we can get a handle on why Hans Schmid got so many options, out of normal timeframes....then, will have an edge that ans Schmid did something out of the ordinary course that was very good for SCLN....and thus shareholders.

      feb 23 will tell me a lot. For Schmid to get 65,000 he had to have done something. No one else has gotten any.........yet. I am on hands and knees praying that Hans Schmid finally cracked SGP into giveing us the needed Japan documents. That would warrant 65,000 share special option grant, imo.

      You are mindless not to understand what just happened with Schmid.

    • maybe that is a good question for the CC if not proven a reason then; surely though, this time we will see some good news either before or during the CC. (don't want to hear 'buying op' again)


    • i agree, i feel like i have heard buying opp since i have owned this stock, i am still waiting for the growth opp.
      it has to be sooner or later

    • Why "surely?" I mean, let's be honest, we have no idea whether good news is coming. And historically good news does NOT come during the CC or shortly before.

    • Ok, here's another one of these. Remember how much flak I took when I claimed we had "abandoned" Japan? Because really we had simply indefinitely postponed it?

      Well where are all those jerks when people like mjm and seemike say we will "surely" see good news and the growth opportunity "has to come sooner or later." Classic pumping statements with no basis in fact AT ALL but the blind longs cluster together and refuse to call each other on lying and cheating.

      What a bunch of sickening weasels you assholes are.

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