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  • charlie1840088 charlie1840088 Aug 20, 2013 10:41 AM Flag

    re; "the church"

    The Church is the anti-christ - there is no such thing as sin - There is crime - Satin is a "christian" concept "An it harm none - do what thy will"

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    • how fun! I love a good rant away from my stock research! Of coarse this isn't research, right! But here is the thing. "Do what thy wilt" - catch phrase from leading satanist Aleister Crowley is in direct opposition to the Higher Law "love thy neighbor" and others. But these "laws" and sayings aren't meant to be the "guide" for our behavior as humans. The Divine Nature (available to anyone who will believe and submit to it - Christ in you, the hope of glory) is the only chance of goodness and love coming out of humanity. The Church today, doesn't teach people to depend on the LIFE of Christ (not I but Christ who lives in me - Paul) but rather they teach moral code living - Lowering true Christianity to other religions where we simply try to live by a written code of ethics or behavior. the Truth is - Christ - "I AM the Way, the TRUTH, and the LIFE" and no one on planet earth will ever get to the reality of LOVE pouring out of them sacrificially (for others benefit) unless they first "believe" that they are loved by God. "We love because he first loved us" is the foundation of true social goodness. The church has wrongly pointed out that God is full of judgement and hatred for sinners, and has missed the fact that Jesus "took away the sin of the world" and placed it on himself and died for it (wage of sin is death) but God doesn't want man to die. He loves all men! So he let himself (Jesus) be killed for me and you. Good news, for sure... but the reason He did this for us, is so that he could restore in us what was lost when Adam sinned - the Indwelling Spirit of God ! Now, thru the LIFE of Jesus, that which was lost in the garden (Spirit of God) can be restored to man because SIN was "taken away" by Jesus at the cross. The church fails to see or experience this, and so it looks no different than the rest of the world. Don't judge God by Christians. Most of them are screwed up! Seek Him because he is! HE LIVES ! He will show up.

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      • You nailed it - no pun intended . So you agree the Church is the anti-Christ

      • That is right arteest.

        Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Everyone knows John 3:16, even if they aren't a believer,

        "For God so loved the world, that he sacrificed his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

        I am not sure what church you are referring to when you say the "Church has wrongly pointed out that God is full of judgement and hatred for sinners." Many churches do preach a pretty solid message.

        It is known that God is actually holding his judgement back until the Great Tribulation, the 70th week of Daniel. God is so merciful and so loving that the 'restrainer', also known as the holy spirit that indwells in christians has to be removed before He can pour out His wrath and judge mankind for their unbelief.

        Jesus became sin for us and covered our unrighteousness, for those that believe in Him. But the message is clear in the New Testament that we are to repent of our sin and realize the great damage it has caused us and our loved ones, and the path it has us on without a savior.

        The greatest prophet of them all, John the Baptist, even makes it clear in Mark 1:15 "Repent ye, and believe the gospel.

        My message isn't that it is possible to live a sinless life. I still sin, everyday, but the process of sanctification has me on a path to be more christ like. In fact there is no Christian alive that has not sinned after he was saved, that I am aware of.

        Jesus did fully pay the debt in John 3:16.

        He fully paid the sin debt, and the Bible says, "that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).

        For people like Ryu, I think there concept of sin is that they must never sin again and they feel they can't make that promise to God.

        Well, folks, I am a faithful servant of the Lord, and I am here to tell you that John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life."

      • well the concept of god or jesus being within one person is great. one must take control of oneself and do what is good because it is good not because one believes in anyone religion.

        that is how I go about it. one religion or another doesn't matter to me.
        I will do what is right because it is right instead of I believing I will go to heaven for believing in something.

        if I do good because of me expecting something in return then I would not be a good person in general right?

        but of course the gratitude/return one gets for doing good does feel nice but that should not be the

        you do it because you want to do good and believe in doing so.

        those that know they are doing evil and still do so are evil no matter what religion they are from
        especially if they fake ignorance to hide themselves

        if they are just ignorant instead of fake they are doing evil then they should be debated and lectured

        what is good for society right now:
        decentralization of power as our constitution dictates.
        centralization of power was always frowned upon by the constitution.

        decentralization of corporation wealth and technology
        patents = render them all useless and start anew.

        right now as it stands patent = only used for abuse rather than innovation. for now it would serve innovation more purpose to expire all patents and restart the system.

        we need a decentralization of money as well.

        can easily implemented the people themselves will vote each year on how much money will be expanded by. Basically choosing how much debt they will default on.
        every man woman and child will get a % of wealth. after 50% of the population higher average savings the lower tier will get a 10% of average wealth for those with nothing depending on which is greater they can choose.

        eliminating a large amount of debt by how the population votes.
        will creditors over run the debtors or will debtors over run the creditors.

        this will keep a balance in check too much debt = inflation
        low debt = deflation

      • Hey "Roseincranz" try reading "The Cloud on the Sanctuary"

    • yes religion cannot be proven or disproven either you believe it or you dont.
      which is why I am agnostic and wont fight either side Atheist or religious

      if I like the religion then I will incorporate parts that I like and ignore parts that are unreasonable or conflicts with my own morals.

      the world is a cycle of death and rebirth as well.

      one death gives rise to birth.

      lets talk about that for a min-

      for the economy of course

      large corporations have to consume more capital to grow larger % wise to satisfy investors
      rich folk to gain even more wealth consumes more than the poor to satisfy themselves

      as a result the rich getting richer has limiting diminishing returns to society.
      also an infinite amount of money flowing into the system but locked up in a box means the wealth is only given to those that have access to the box AKA FED

      notice: only rich people are getting rich off the 0% rates NO ONE ELSE.

      unless the rich elites choose to give that infinite locked up wealth they STOLE from others back to them there will be largely no inflation unless the elites want inflation in that good.

      this is the reason why velocity of money is extremely low

      hence they will inflate what poor people NEED THE MOST THE necessary goods.

      the rich elites are extremely EVIL as we can see which is what I expect of them hence I invest in those types of companies more than others in hopes of them being able to out produce their price manipulation with their box of INFINITE fiat currency.

      thus deflation of luxury goods and inflation of necessary goods.
      hence Japanese style STAGFLATION

      as you can see instead of blabbing on about just svm and silver REAL people can talk about other things.

      the manipulators and trash of the message boards only talk about the stocks and getting rich quick etc. you can clearly see whom are real people and whom are not then.

    • actually I am not exactly religious myself I believe in doing good because one wants to do good.
      I am largely agnostic rather than atheist.

      the God, Allah, fate, zen, all, the one, the void, the universe, the world etc

      it doesn't matter.

      what matters is what we as humans do.
      Are we good and decent people or not.

      if we are good or if we are evil in our souls matter more than if we believe him or not. IF GOD WAS GOOD then he will in fact accept non-believers anyway

      as long as they are GOOD and decent people. that is if god was a good and decent god for that matter if he was not then I wouldn't want to associate myself with him anyway and would rather not be saved by an evil god instead if he was an evil god I would rather choose to fight him/fate instead.

      if one does good just because god says so it doesn't make them a good person at all.
      is the person inherently good or bad?

      now back to the USA:

      for most people humans are inherently evil which is why the USA government had a
      separation of powers

      as we can see the erosion of our constitution from the ongoing cancer of corruption in Washington.
      I do not believe god or anyone omnipotent will come to save us but we must fight them ourselves.

      These psychos will do anything to keep their power.

      notice: war with Syria etc testing our patience.

      people need to wake up they(the elites that control this world) are trying to make excuses again to provoke us into war.

      there are MORE IMPORTANT THINGS.
      nuclear waste STILL LEAKING INTO OCEAN an enormous rates and people still didn't do anything to fix the problems

      we keep COMPLAINING ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS BUT what is this? JAPAN is doing that second right now slowly KILLING OUR pacific ocean but instead of FIXING this problem WE ARE GOING TO WAR WITH SYRIA.

      WHAT IS THIS? MILLIONS ARE going to die because of fukushima already thanks to the cancer and desolated land.

      but instead of fixing it we need to hear propaganda

      • 3 Replies to ryugo82
      • Don't eat Suchi or Pacific Samon - Do your DD on the net -

      • the root words for "religion" means to "bind up" - to heap burdens on people. Jesus came to abolish what the religious leaders of his day were "heaping on the people" - making them think that they could approach God by their good behavior (legalism, works, etc) and raised the bar so high, that no one would think they could make it. We read "even if you hate your brother, you have committed adultery" and think that he is wanting us to try even harder! But that is not the case. He wants us to give up trying and simply receive that which was lost the day Man sinned - LIFE.

        I AM the way the truth and the LIFE! believe it. No religion required! and then just watch what he will start to do in your life. NO more Trying to be good! Rather a confidence that you ARE GOOD because you and HE are now ONE spirit. Oh the Joy of living this freedom and grace! You won't regret believing! You will always regret "trying" ... because you know you can never be enough or good enough or do enough to gain eternal life.

        The rich young ruler said "Good teacher, what must I DO to gain eternal life?" Jesus replied, "Why do you call me good? NO one is good but God." Point - Our union with the Father (as Jesus lived in the Father) is what makes a man good.... not his behavior. To prove it, Jesus looked into this mans heart and new the thing he wouldn't sacrifice for God and exposed his lack of goodness by giving an impossible thing to do - "go sell it all and give to the poor and follow me." The religious will read that statment and add it to a list of things to do to be good, and miss the truth - NO ONE IS GOOD BUT GOD .... so by faith ... allow yourself to be joined to him thru the death of Jesus (cross) and let his LIFE be yours for the living! And then HAVE FUN with HIM! He is the best friend ever!

      • Ryu, I am glad to see you step up and conversate. Let me first say that this is one of the most common objections to believing in god from atheists and agnostics alike.

        "If god is good, he will let good unbelievers in."

        It is a pretty ironic statement though isn't it? If God is so good, he will let me do what I want and I can still get into heaven. You can have your cake and eat it too. Right?

        Well, here are some attributes of God. Omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, All-loving, merciful, patient, slow to anger, perfect, transcendent, and infinite. These are just a few words to describe God.

        Now, it is obvious that we live by certain laws. The law of gravity, the law of thermodynamics, etc etc, which are fined tuned as mentioned in my other comment to such a degree if they were any different by just a slight fraction, life could not exist at all.

        Now, the logic goes, if there are laws for the physical universe, there are also laws for the spiritual and moral equivalent of the physical. These laws are God's commandments and ethics. If we abide by them, God promises us that we will live harmoniously and according to His way.

        We are so selfish to delude ourselves into thinking that we are good. Ryu, what is good to you? You can't fall into that trap, because what is good to you isn't necessarily good to another person. You are starting to walk into the field of relativism, and when you get into moral relativism you are no longer in accord with God's harmonious way, but your own self-guiding moral compass.

        It is true, that God was good enough to create us with a certain moral compass, but the problem is this compass gets skewed by our sinful world and can be quite the contrary to God's way of doing things.

        The only way to be absolutely sure you are following God's commands and the artful way of godly living, is through his communicated message series to us, called the Bible.

        You see God is so loving that he gave us a love story.

    • You bit - So here goes - SVM will fly like an Angel (IMHO) - re "church" All one must do is read the nostics & find God is within as whithout ! ( no preisthood needed if you're one with GOD ) - If God is within how can He/She be in the presents of sin ? I did not say there are no moral or cival misdeeds - sex is great - not something to induce guilt . Free will and society will lead you on accepted moral pathways - Harm none ,"Golden Rule" , do the right thing - without the dogma ! When you think about it , We are on the same page !

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      • Charlie if the human species is so good and so moral and god can be found within.... Ask yourself why there has to be a Golden Rule mentioned in the first place?

        If we are so good and moral to begin with, we don't need a Golden Rule from the Confucian tradition to remind us to treat others like our neighbors.

        Perhaps it is the condition we find our bodies and souls to be in.

        The biggest sin against God is saying is not believing in the 1 true God, Yeshua.

        The gnostics will deceive your mind to the rule of this dominion, satan. They believe in the "all seeing eye", the Grand Architect.

        I have studied the Freemasons who are the masterful gnostic race of this world because my great great grandfather was a 33rd Degree Mason. There are only 5000 such Grand Master Masons that exist in the world at anyone time.

        They worship satan and merely mentioning Jesus inside the Masonic temple is grounds for condemnation.

        I never said sex was bad. God created it and devoted a whole book in the bible about the nature of the woman and man, in the Song of Solomon. However, the nature of sex is between a husband and a wife and it is to be enjoyed between a husband and a wife, but not worshipped.

    • #$%$??? Is this a finance chat board or what?

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      • It is troll, but things are happening so fast in what the 70th week of Daniel and Revelation show, that I want to get the word out to as many unbelievers as possible so when they are in the Great Tribulation they will remember what I said and hopefully they will follow the path of righteousness.

        Remember, all fear is from Satan. Do not let my words alarm, but rather let my words instruct you.

        Some things to keep watch of to see the time is nigh:

        1) The Shanghai Cooperation Organization

        -A group of nations with ambitious political and economic goals, as well as military cooperation among most Islamic nations, Russia, India, and of course China.

        2) The destruction of Damascus

        -You don't have to be a bible scholar to read Isaiah 17 and see the meaning:

        ‘Look, Damascus will disappear! It will become a heap of ruins. The cities of Aroer will be deserted. Sheep will graze in the streets and lie down unafraid. There will be no one to chase them away. The fortified cities of Israel will also be destroyed, and the power of Damascus will end. The few left in Aram will share the fate of Israel’s departed glory,’ says the Lord Almighty.” Isaiah 17:1-3 (NLT)

        Damascus has never been completely destroyed and Israel wouldn't hesitate to use a thermo-nuclear missile if its existence is in question as Syria might feel brave enough to use its deadly arsenal of VX and Sarin gas.

        3) The increasingly anti-semitism found in the world that will produce the next holocaust to destroy 2/3 of the Jewish population.

    • Amen.

      Prophecies: Which other religion has such accurate prophecies of one person?

      There are more than 400 prophecies of Jesus being the Messiah.

      The following probabilities are taken from Peter Stoner in Science Speaks (Moody Press, 1963) to show that coincidence is ruled out by the science of probability. Stoner says that by using the modern science of probability in reference to eight prophecies, "we find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 1017." That would be 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. In order to help us comprehend this staggering probability, Stoner illustrates it by supposing that "we take 1017 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep.

      "Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state. Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man."

      Stoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10157, or 1 in

      000,000,000,000, 000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

      The estimated number of electrons in the universe is around 1079. It should be quite evident that Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies by accident."

    • Ah Charlie, I am sorry but you are spewing a great deception. You are trying to trick yourself into believing Satan's original sin.

      If there is no god then how is possible for the dozens and dozens of Laws of Nature that make up the Cosmological Constant to be so precise and fine tuned?

      The universal constant of gravity is 6.67 x 10 to the negative 11th power. If this were any different by a fraction of a thousandth of a percent, life as we know would not exist.

      If you think there is no moral sin charlie, then you are deluded to believe as if you are like a god for everyone falls short of the Glory of God.

      Also, Satan is not Christian. He is not Jewish. He is not Islamic. He is not buddhist. He is not confucian. Satan is Satan. Satan has dominion over the earth and will deceive all who are willing to be deceived. Sin was brought into this world through a man and sin exited this world for those willing to believe through a man (who was also God).

      Charlie, I won't just preach bad news to you. There is good news. Jesus is at that door for you and if you invite him into your heart, you will sit at the Father's throne for eternity.

      You have a choice to escape the struggle of this life and be born again knowing that your sins are paid for by the blood of Jesus, the ultimate lamb sacrifice. Predicted by over 300 prophecies. (His 2nd coming has over 2400 prophecies).

      Daniel predicted the exact day Jesus would walk into Jerusalem being hailed as the King Messiah. Daniel was told this by the Angel Gabriel almost 500 years before Jesus completed Palm Sunday.

      Tell me charlie, how does one predict the exact day of an event 500 years earlier? Daniel also predicted the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem by the Roman Empire and has also outlined the 70th week, known as the Great Tribulation period. Hear my message Charlie, for if you are not raptured, you will surely be counting the days till His 2nd coming. Hearken unto the Lord, and you shall have peace.