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  • singhlion2001 singhlion2001 Nov 21, 2012 8:11 PM Flag

    MEDIATEK: nEW sMART PHONE SoC will crash smart phone prices inn 2013 and mor eproblem for Intel to compete

    against QCOM/SAMSUNG/APPLE ..3 Domination gorillas for now........Smart Phone frontier

    MediaTek will impact all Smart phone Soc Players with price crashing in 2013

    MT6588/83 in Q42012 instead of 2013 and 8-core MT6599 in 2013 [June 27, July 27, Sept 11-13, Sept 26, 2012]. Quoting from that:

    … MediaTek 28 nanometer quad-core A7 smartphone chip MTK6588 launch time is expected to advance to the fourth quarter of this year from the first quarter of next year! Because the price is very competitive, only 18 to 20 dollars, not only quadcore smartphone prices in mainland China will immediately fell to less than 150 dollars following that, the company will also have the opportunity to break into [the market of ] first-tier [i.e. global brand] manufacturers such as Samsung. …

    Mediatek’s biggest “backer” [in terms of stock market performance] is expected to be the launch of MT6588 (quad-core A7 [with] TD-SCDMA/WCDMA) and MT6599 (8 core of the ARM [with] LTE/TD-SCDMA/WCDMA) smartphone chips in 4th quarter [of this year] and in the next year, respectively.

    … we will see in the near future more dual-core 1.7Ghz Krait-based MSM8960A [on one hand], and MSM8974 [on the other], which is same but with quad-core, rather than next to the launch of 8225Q. …

    … the fastest possible production of MediaTek quad-core mobile processor chip MTK6588 will start in October this year a small amount, quantity should not be a lot, may be available only to large client proofing purposes. Rumored MediaTek MTK6588 manufacturing cost is even less than dual-core MTK6577. …

    MT6588 has a 4-core CPU [Cortex-A7 (!), see on the second slide below] clocked at 1GHz [1.XGHz rather, see the included slides below], supports dual-channel at maximum 1066Mbps, has an integrated multimode modem for WCDMA [+ it is delivering HSPA+ WCDMA performance (!) vs just HSPA with MT6577/75, see the first slide below] and TD (!), that is it can support both Unicom [latest upgrade to HSPA+ service, see the news in the original post materials much below] and China Mobile 3G network, supports an up to 13 MP camera and 1080P video playback. It finally has a GPU upgrade with SGX544, doubles the resolution to 1280×800 HD level, and has 32KB L1 cache and 1MB L2 secondary cache.

    Along the MT6588 there is a 28nm dual-core version, MT6583 on the MediaTek 2012 product roadmap. From the chipset parameters it is evident that MT6583 is a scaled down version of MT6588. It has 2 cores less, the camera support is 8MP, the video decoder is of 720P level, and the resolution is down to 854×480.

    It is understood that MT6588 and MT6583 will be in production in the first quarter of 2013, early next year the fastest.

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    • The A7 is a more compact shorter pipelined evolution of the in-order A8 and has similar performance to it but at greater energy efficiency (~50%). It will lose all modern performance test buts should win all the battery endurance tests. These ARM processors (A7 and A53) are the only ones that will really survive competitively after Intel is done executing its Atom roadmap down to say 10nm. Cheap, low performing and long lasting. Thus it ever was ;-).

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      • Thus it ever was ;-).

        Only true if Intel can get far enough ahead in nodes:) That A53 is smaller than the A9 in the same process, yet is just as performant. This means in an big/little environment it'll be doing most of the work only to spin up it's big brother now and again so the ARM ecosystem can be behind on node yet still maintain a decent power/performance curve. If this works, I do expect Intel to follow with Atom/Core hybrids at some point.

    • ARM Leads GPU Computing Trend, Improving Systems Performance and Energy-Efficiency
      02 August 2012

      ARM submits ARM® Mali™-T604 GPU for Full Profile OpenCL Conformance
      What: The submission of the ARM® Mali™-T604 graphics processing unit (GPU) for OpenCL™ 1.1 Full Profile conformance with Khronos*. ARM is the first GPU Intellectual Property (IP) supplier to submit conformance for Full Profile OpenCL, bringing desktop GPU computing features to the mobile, embedded and smart-TV markets.

      This will help bring visual computing to life by providing developers with a consistent and effective platform on which to build their designs, and tangible benefits to the end user in terms of improved performance and battery life of their devices.

      GPU computing is a trend where the computational performance of the GPU, historically used for graphics, is harnessed to augment the main processor (or CPU) for certain applications where the GPU architecture will be more effective. The result is improved performance and energy-efficiency and a more efficient use of the system as a whole, making computational photography, computer vision, advanced imaging, point-of-interest extraction and augmented reality possible because of the extended processing capacity.

      The Open Computing Language (OpenCL) is an important open standard programming framework for portable, parallel computation that enables the CPU and GPU in a system to work faster and more efficiently together.

      Why: The Mali-T600 Series of GPUs have been designed from the outset for GPU computing, including full support for work-groups and synchronization barriers. Building on a scalable multicore, multi-pipeline architecture design, the Mali-T600 Series GPU includes a number of advanced features. In particular, native scalar and vector operations for OpenCL's integer and floating point data types (including 64-bit); support for static and dynamic compilation; hardware accelerated image and sampler data types; fast atomic operations and compliance to IEEE754-2008 precision requirements.

      • 1 Reply to singhlion2001
      • NVIDIA GTX 690 has about 3000 cores, lol, but cores mean nothing, Tegra 3 has 12 GPU cores and Mali 678 has 8 but the latter is be way more powerful!
        In the sense that we are talking about 8 (discrete) GPU cores here, Tegra 3 has only one core. That one core has 12 shader pipelines but saying that Tegra 3 has 12 GPU cores is purely a NVIDIA marketing strategy

        Its strange and sort of funny to me the way that ARM sort of burst onto the scene and has, in a few short years, come to define the mobile computing space.

        It's also ironic and amusing to see a companies like Microsoft and Intel scratch their collective heads and wonder what, exactly, happened during the time between their utter dominance of the market and their current scrambling to keep up...

        This just goes to show you how dynamic the mobile market is and how it will drive future developments in the computing.

    • Neither Samsung nor Texas Instruments, he was thinking of leaving the mobile market . The real winner in the race to create chips for Mobile devices is Qualcomm, according to research firm Strategy Analytics.
      The report indicates that nearly half of the money spent on producing chips for mobile -48% – ends in the pockets of Qualcomm. But the situation more “curious” is that of Samsung which despite being developers launch their own chips and no fewer Android equipment of all types, sizes and prices, not infrequently end up using Processors created by other companies.
      Samsung, MediaTek, broadcom and Texas Instruments (in that order) are the following brands in the top 5 of those who make more money making mobile processors. The report also confirms the final entry of Intel mobile segment with its Medfield chip, although its share of the cake is, first of all, testimonial, with 0.2% of total units shipped.

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