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  • Networthdev Networthdev Apr 12, 2011 2:40 PM Flag

    TOP VC EXEC: U.S. auto sector needs to rethink itself

    Coach, can't wait to here your thoughts on Ray's perspective.

    Link below

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/automotive/sns-rt-business-us-autos-ktre73b51n-20110412,0,1317446.story

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    • Well, others on this board see you for what you are. You and Cobra must be joined at the hip? Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dumber! Neither of you have the capacity to answer anything logical. It's a farce when it comes to you, Networth.

    • YOUR just so fun/helpfull to play with, and predictable.

    • Once more, why interfer with a childs playtime? 10 posts by you in this thread, 6 posts by all others. You must truly enjoy playing with yourself.

      Stroke on, little guy!

    • No, I know, you left it with the service department at your dealership, and they haven't called yet.

    • Cat got your tongue Coach.

    • Very good Coach, now you are starting to admit your foolishness. That is the first step to clarity in life and making a positive step forward. I am very PROUD of you, and believe life will start looking up for you.

    • Boy! You really got me there, Networth. You speak like you work for Tesla? That's fine. If you're in a store, it must be difficult to make ends meet, huh?

      The Lemonade stand's "original", Networth. In fact, I used that term these past few days. You know the old adage, "Imitation is the highest form of flattery", and all that?

      Yep! I live in a backward world. What a crock!

    • Again, you live in LEMON AID STAND land. We are going to make a dent in the UNIVERSE. Be my guest, live in your backward, small world, and continue to eat at the local homeless shelter.

    • When I first came on the board I said I'm all for alternative fuels. I still am! I also said I believe Tesla's business model is NOT the way to go. it isn't!

      Unless consumers are prepared TODAY to pay sticker price and not mention a word about their trade, then I agree the auto business is changing big time. Problem is, I've seen too many people look at a sticker and laugh, or say their trade is worth Blue Book retail to believe consumer sentiment approves not questioning the price or trade of a car.

      If I'm wrong, Tesla would have quickly sold out of Roadsters and would have bought additional bodies from Lotus at least a year ago. Did that happen?

      There's an even bigger picture here. How about all the large private dealer groups? What happens to them? What about all the PUBLIC dealer groups? Where do they go? The largest, AutoNation, generates almost $15 billion in yearly revenues. Plus, there are 6 MORE public groups. Total revenues would be close to $50 billion. Does it all evaporate?

      What about NASCAR? Do they close up shop? Formula racing? Indy racing? Electric planes instead of the current jets?

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      • "Unless consumers are prepared TODAY to pay sticker price and not mention a word about their trade, then I agree the auto business is changing big time. Problem is, I've seen too many people look at a sticker and laugh, or say their trade is worth Blue Book retail to believe consumer sentiment approves not questioning the price or trade of a car."

        Do a Web search on 'no haggle' car pricing. There seems to be dealers using this model. Deserved or not Americans aren't used to bargaining and hate the car buying process. Fun for you - not for your customers. You have no grounds to say it won't work.

        I see that high end car dealers here have modest used car lots and most of the trade ins disappear. Tesla, to start up says they all disappear. You used to maintain that they should spend tens or hundreds of millions in startup capital to buy acres of asphalt and people to be in the used car business to survive.

        "The largest, AutoNation, generates almost $15 billion in yearly revenues."

        When Tesla gets off the ground, some such partners, plural, would be ideal wouldn't they. They sell Mercedes and BMW already, I think. At the outset, the tail would wag the dog; Tesla has to be a functioning car company. They have bitten off a big chunk already starting everything new. IMO they seem to be taking the right steps in order for a startup. Unlike the Leaf and other EV's thanks to the Roadster, their vehicle architecture and system is not Version 1.0.

        You again, are claiming inside knowledge of Tesla that you don't have and shouldn't have without a non-disclosure.

        "What about NASCAR? Do they close up shop? Formula racing? Indy racing? Electric planes instead of the current jets?"

        What on earth are you carrying on about now? You must be short.

        If the batteries can use experimental and somewhat expensive chemistry with, 2 or 3 times Tesla's 300 mile pack energy density and quick-change packs, and a transmission, why not race? They wouldn't even have to win, just qualify and finish to wake up the Good Old Boys wouldn't they? And make a point. I would have some misgivings about the expensive super-dense chemistry - if, not perfected, it burned or whatever, that would be an error. At some point someone will do it. After the first successful race NASCAR will handicap them out of the race by requiring a horse running ahead of the car with a bell and a flag or whatever.

        A jet aircraft?? ?? Yeah, you must be short.....

      • Oh, did the question "do we really need 20,000 dealers" hit a nerve?

        Come on, the company and it's policies are in their infancy. They are in prototype mode on MANY things. Trade in's will be handled appropriately when it becomes vital to a larger business. At this point they don't need EVERYBODY to buy. They want the visionaries, and the risk takers, to help work out the kinks. Trade ins, your too funny drill sergeant!!

        Who cares about the other dealers, write a letter to President Obama if your concerned, but this is America and CAPITALISM is viscous, but good.

        NASCAR, I can't wait till TSLA fields a car, oh baby will that be fun!!!! As for electric planes, I was actually wondering about CNG. Seems like that would be a lot lighter to get off the ground that all that heavy jet fuel. :-) But again, I'm not an engineer, so don't know the issues there. Anybody got a thought on that one, would be interested.

 
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