I had a couple of conversations today which
confirmed some of the more cynical estimates of when the GM
EV, NiMH or otherwise, will be available in my area.
I was surprised. I thought this issue was settled
and that someone posted here a couple of months ago
that delivery was imminent.
Can any current
owners please post any updates as to how things look at
their local Saturn Dealerships? Are you driving a next
Gen EV from GM?
I suspect the actual delivery
times are months away, not weeks. How sad this is.
December 28th-ish? Last announcement was
As for problems in the heat, I heard
it from a Saturn dealer, and then someone here
mentioned non-sale in AZ because of problems in heat. So,
whatever the problems are, they apparently exist enough to
forestall any sales in the immediate future.
In the talk I had yesterday with my EV1
specialist, she told me that GM was facing a major deadline
in delivering the Gen 2 Ovonic NiMH cars. Apparently
there exists a agreement between GM and CARB that they
have to deliver them in 1999 or face large fines per
car, which could run into the "millions of
Does anyone else know about this? This seems like huge
news to me, to say the least. It means that the
mandates are working and actually forcing GM to deliver on
If I have misstated something
here, which is entirely possible, I would welcome
someone from GM to reply to this, so we can all
understand what is happening and work together to promote
this amazing technology.
That's a crock of poop.
Our Honda with
Panasonic old-tech NiMH has been in the desert many
Careless over-charging, abuse, and failure of
complicated cooling system makes this a greater challenge for
the EV1, which does not
have the battery pack
dispersed below the vehicle for
Fortunately, the Triax does deploy the battery below the
Meanwhile, GM is probably correct in not marketing the car
in very hot climes because abuse (and it has to be
pretty bad!) CAN lead to 10-15% decrease in battery
Our current NiMH battery pack has almost 30,000 mile
on it, and still goes 100 miles or so.
Our EV+ has been throught the desert many times!
Careless over-charging, and perhaps the bad EV1 internal
configuration, might mean that very hi heat decreases battery
life by 10% or so--and battery packs last on the Honda
more than 30k miles.
The real reason GM does
not market in AZ--NO MANDATE! The ARB is the ONLY
reason GM finally came out with the car, after
sabotaging it by not putting the battery pack under the car,
like Honda did, for cooling. PS--The triax and all
other EVs which use NiMH all carry the pack under the
car. Only the EV1, with its incredibly good
aerodynamics, requires a special cooling system due to heat
NOT THE BATTERIES! THEY HAVE GREAT
CYCLE LIFE IN HOT WEATHER TOO!
There is a
waiting list for EV1, simply because
of the long wait.
There is also a requirement that you live and use the
car within a 100 mile radius of a Saturn dealer which
services the EV1. So forgettabout any state but CA, right
I can add to the report that NiMH won't be sold
in the extremely hot climates, e.g. AZ. A local (San
Diego) dealer told me the NiMH "melts" in that
As to availability, I think that until it's
available to the average Joe walking in and asking for one,
like with most other cars, then it's not really out
there. It's not possible for me to tell, from the posts
that have been made, precisely if one could actually
go into a dealership and get one with NiMH in the
Bay Area right this minute, or if there's a catch to
this picture, like a wait-list issue or a delivery
time or a type-of-battery issue or what.
Lithium Polymer is a great story, but has not yet
materialized. There is no theoretical bar to it, like there is
with Fuel Cells [i.e., H2 energy density], but Li has
been too expensive so far.
The real hit would
be that GM markets the car in areas which want it, I
agree, you are right.
The reality is that the
new manager will only market it where forced,
traceable imo to their mixture of doin it for money/doin it
The fact that they will not
market the NiMH in AZ was told to me by a GM person. The
reason is simple: Abuse of NiMH in extremely hot
temperatures can lead to degradation of battery and shorter
battery life. Remember that was the problem with the
original launch in 1997--the idiots had put the batteries
inside the car, for aerodynamic considerations, which
were not needed for NiMH because of their greater
power. Yet putting it inside, without a cooling system
meant they could not use NiMH!
Talk about the
gang which could not shoot straight...but criticism is
easy, I probably would have made even worse mistakes.
The point is, we've go the car, and no one can deny
IT'S A GREAT CAR, IT DOES EXIST, IT PROVES
The triax and the new "precept" are pretty cool, too,
WE HAVE A VIABLE EV! IT'S HERE!
To me the "real hit" would be the substantiated
fact that GM would be leasing (and selling) EV-1's
with the NiMH battery where ever they can get
What is your source for the fact that the NiMH version
would not be marketed in warm climes.
"real hit" would be the substantiated fact that GM will
not wait for legal mandates anyplace but will start
today to lease (or sell)EV-1's with the NiMH battery in
places with LOTS of interest in EV�s..
you get the facts that you have posted?
Thanks for your report