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  • canucanoe1 canucanoe1 Jun 3, 2006 4:16 PM Flag

    Crush, what's up in Germany?

    Sure hope Europe doesn't continue to decay. Ever since this EU thing caught steam, xenophobia in the Netherlands, Denmark, Germany and France is blossoming. It's only going to get worse, I'm afraid.

    Riots are quite common in France now. Another wave last week. Here's something one would have never anticipated. From the NYTimes today:

    >>>Surge in Racist Mood Raises Concerns on Eve of World Cup
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    Published: June 4, 2006
    HAMBURG, Germany, June 3 � As he left the soccer field after a club match in the eastern German city of Halle on March 25, the Nigerian forward Adebowale Ogungbure was spit upon, jeered with racial remarks and mocked with monkey noises. In rebuke, he placed two fingers under his nose to simulate a Hitler mustache and thrust his arm in a Nazi salute.

    In April, the American defender Oguchi Onyewu, playing for his professional club team in Belgium, dismissively gestured toward fans who were making simian chants at him. Then, as he went to throw the ball inbounds, Onyewu said a fan of the opposing team reached over a barrier and punched him in the face.

    International soccer has been plagued for years by violence among fans, including racial incidents. But FIFA, soccer's Zurich-based world governing body, said there has been a recent surge in discriminatory behavior toward blacks by fans and other players, an escalation that has dovetailed with the signing of more players from Africa and Latin America by elite European clubs.

    This "deplorable trend," as FIFA has called it, now threatens to embarrass the sport on its grandest stage, the World Cup, which opens June 9 for a monthlong run in 12 cities around Germany. More than 30 billion cumulative television viewers are expected to watch part of the competition and Joseph S. Blatter, FIFA's president, has vowed to crack down on racist behavior during the tournament.

    Underlining FIFA's concerns, the issue has been included on the agenda at its biannual Congress, scheduled to be held this week in Munich. A campaign against bigotry includes "Say No to Racism" stadium banners, television commercials, and team captains making pregame speeches during the quarterfinals of the 32-team tournament.<<<

    >>>Players and antiracism experts said they expected offensive behavior during the tournament, including monkey-like chanting; derisive singing; the hanging of banners that reflect neofascist and racist beliefs; and perhaps the tossing of bananas or banana peels, all familiar occurrences during matches in Spain, Italy, eastern Germany and eastern Europe.

    "For us it's quite clear this is a reflection of underlying tensions that exist in European societies," said Piara Powar, director of the London-based antiracist soccer organization Kick It Out. He said of Eastern Europe: "Poverty, unemployment, is a problem. Indigenous people are looking for easy answers to blame. Often newcomers bear the brunt of the blame."<<<


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    • what did you expect? when the east of germany was integrated into western germany, it was basically a completely bancrupt country. even though a lot has been done, unemployment rates are above 20% in some places. then you have many german companies going to poland and other cheap labour countries, and the same time you have many russians and their criminal organizations move into germany. this has in turn led to a raise in radical sentiments in some areas in eastern germany, especially in saxny but also in brandenburg. there are several places where i would simply not go when i would be a foreigner with a different skin or language. isnt much different than the ghetto in your city where you probably wouldnt go when it is controlled by gangs.

      at the moment a lot is done in order to disturb the movement and when the economy is turning you will see it getting much smaller. that said, i can assure you that racial sentiment in germany is still much lower than in the us. we dont have minorities around that are treated like white americans treat their negro and indian minorities - only good for low educated jobs. in germany every child still can have a decent education including university even if the parents are poor. and by the way it is not as if you do not have a nazi movement in the usa, to the contrary i would say it is much stronger than in germany.

      speaking for france - they are merely getting their payback for their colonial sins, just as the british. besides that their ghettos are still in better condition than the ones i9n the us. just people are not as stupid in france, as to let themselves getting exploited by an elite to the extend as it is happening in the good old usa. in france heads of the aristrocracy were chopped off before. let us not forget that FRANCE, not the USA is the birthplace of modern democracy!!!

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      • Crush, no wonder you Germans permit France to be the diplomats. You have such a poor knowledge of world history! Please adjust your attitude. The French Revolution occured well after the American Revolution which installed our democracy. It was installed with laws that came about then from the Constitution Convention, also before the French Revolution. I will also remind you that it was not installed by a mob, which caused chaos that a dictator, Napolean, had to quell. You see, not only is France xenophobic, like Germany, but you Germans don't even know your history. I would also say you personally can't judge the quality of a democracy. It appears to me that you accept "President" Saddam as a leader of similar ilk. Words have immense meaning to you, irrespective of the truth.

      • Crush, Germans torched Turks in the '80s. It's not new developments that bring this out of the German character. Not only that, but the premise of the EU is for Europe to knock down EU borders, so movement of people is to occur for the betterment of Germany and the EU. As for your comparison to the US, it stinks and is wrong. America as a culture has always welcomed immigrants (legal and otherwise), whereas Europe has always shunned them. While there are areas that are poor,America hasn't insitutionalized its immigrants like Europe.

    • QWAK,canucanoe,You DON'T have a LEG to STAND on yet keep trying to DANCE around the ISSUE of WHAT is LEGAL MONEY and HOW and WHY real money works!

      What YOU need is a DANCE instructor! :)

      This guy with NO LEGS or ARMS dances BETTER than YOU DO! (nick make NOTE of this guy ALSO, perhaps YOU and canucanoe can get some sort of a DISCOUNT, 2 for 1 deal!)

      the DUCK

    • Yes, he's that hollow! lol! I bet he was taught his trade over the 3 martini lunch.

    • nick.mach, as I said before, we were on a gold standard in the 1920s. Liquidity boomed. Boomed all around the world. Far exceeded the production of gold. What you say is not true. Fact is, thoughtful liquidity, under any system, is doled out in conservative justifiable amounts. Reckless liquidity occurs under any system, but is easier to come by under our current system.

    • Duck, I asked you and your backslapping friend to join me in a discussion centering on:

      >>>It is VERY unlikely the US DOLLAR will see 50,that is a FACT!<<<

      and the fact that in today's world, every country is based on a reserve asset, the USD$, that is fiat. It has never been this way before. Therefore, are you saying every, EVERY, monetary system will crash including your beloved renmimbi? If not, then all these countries will find ways to make sure the USD remains valuable. They have too many reserves in that asset and too few in alternatives like gold.

    • Payment: Blood, sweat or tears

    • QWAK,canucanoe,You are SOoooooooooo CONFUSED you mix diferent things and aspects then BELIEVE you KNOW what ever you start talking about!

      Over the long history of GOLD being money it HAS held its VALUE better than ANY other thing known. The 25 years YOU speak of were an ABORITION caused by MASSIVE MINIPULATION and WE are just begining to see how much MORE damage has been done by puting OFF what we should have faced and delt with in the early 80s!

      Much like an INTRIST only LOAN or an ARM when the GRACE period is over and YOU have to PAY the ACTUAL COST then it hits just how STUPID it was to try and GET OVER rather than paying a FARE price in the first place.

      SCAMS always cost MORE and you get LESS so they should be AVOIDED!

      the DUCK

    • QWAK,Bear,LOL " i bet you even popped off to your mom when you first walked out of the crib saying "there ain't no santa clause" musta had a lot of merry xmas es after that fiasco" --- actualy that "is" sort of TRUE! :)

      I always wanted (even as a very young child) to know WHY and HOW every thing worked, drove my folks and teachers, even the ARMY and EMPLOIERS crazy, because I could see the HEPOCRACY and would STAND and SAY what I could SEE and that FRUSTRATES and AGRAVATES people a BUNCH! LOL Realy PISSES some people off when THEY are trying to FOOL other people too!

      the DUCK

    • QWAK,alpha,Wile your MISGUIDED beliefes obviously serve YOUR TWISTED paradign of reality, the TRUTH is that you don't know what you are talking about.

      Each time a FIAT currency FAILS and they HAVE EVERY TIME, after the DISASTER and dust settels people ALWAYS return to GOLD because IT WORKS!

      The fundamentals of WHAT money IS and HOW it functions can NOT be maintained by ANY CURRENCY that can be CREATED in unlimited amount, because it can NOT be a store of WELTH!

      It realy IS just THAT simple and all the BULL SHIT of "MODERN ECONOMICS" is a LIE and a DECEPTION intended to decieve and gain UNFAIR ADVANTAGE over the people who actuly produce the GOODS and SERVICES every society needs!

      You have a GAMBLERS perception that allows YOU to accept doing to OTHERS that which YOU would NOT accept if done to YOU! You seek UNFAIR ADVANTAGE and are happy to EXPLOIT the DISADVANTAGED ---- that is WHY you are both a LAWYER and a GAMBLER and a SELF SERVING LOW LIFE!

      You don't see your self that way OBVIOUSLY, because IF you did you could not maintain yourself in a FAIR and BALANCED reality that did NOT give you ADVANTAGES you know you neither EARNED nor DESERVE!

      Not saying you have not put forth conciderable effort to get ware you are, but rather that YOU have been going in the WRONG DIRECTION so long YOU believe it IS RIGHT!

      the DUCK

    • QWAK,alpha,Control THIS FIRE ---- SMART ASS!

      Perhaps you can turn down the SUN too they say it will be real hot this saturday! IF you can bring it down to about 80 THAT would be nice!

      You are SUCH a JURK!

      the DUCK

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