If you wanna talk MMOs Dont forget about Warhammer. Its from the guys who made Dark Age of Camelot ... I can say from playing DaoC quite a bit when it came it was way ahead of its time. This is before WoW. To say anything can compete with WoW is not reality. That said I think the market is ready for something new, i'm a little worried about the timing with the wow Wrath King expansion coming out around the same time, it might take a bit of the wind of the Warhammer sails. We will have to wait to see how it plays out. I remember people were saying that Everquest 2 was going to do much better than WoW ... lol.