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  • jaguarsxxxv jaguarsxxxv Oct 31, 2008 1:22 AM Flag

    Now you know why ERTS is losing money..

    People, fans, everyone but the hooray henries at the top at EA have been yelling for years to make games more user friendly, update their horrible website etc, but this, this just blows it all out of the water. This is feedback on for EA's latest game Dead Space:

    Talking about Dead Space for PC.

    5 of 6 people found the following review helpful:
    DRM Infected, avoid at all cost, Oct 24 2008
    By Jacques Goudreau (Montreal, Quebec Canada) - See all my reviews

    This game installs a rootkit (aka virus) on your machine on EA's behalf. It is nigh impossible to remove after. Avoid at all costs anything published by EA.

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    9 of 16 people found the following review helpful:
    DEAD ON REENTRY..., Oct 20 2008
    By NeuroSplicer (Freeside, in geosynchronous orbit) - See all my reviews

    When EA keeps giving birth to such beautiful yet stillborn babies (killed by the decision to bundle another infamous SecuROM 7+/LIMITED ACTIVATIONS scheme), one can only ask: WHAT HAVE ITS EXECUTIVES BEEN SMOKING?!

    MASS EFFECT can be found in clearance bins only months after its release; SPORE undersold miserably; EA's stock was hit hard because of these failures (way BEFORE the market dive) - and yet, no one seems to be awake at the helm.
    By insisting on slipping in such problematic and hated DRM scheme in DEAD SPACE (and RED ALERT 3 in a week), EA proves in how little respect it holds its own customers. Of course, calling "pirates and petulant children" the 3,100 Amazon reviewers that rated with 1-star the, similarly plagued, SPORE should have been an early hint.

    SecuROM 7+ has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH FIGHTING PIRACY. Proof: both MASS EFFECT and SPORE (as with BIOSHOCK last year) were pirated hours within (if not...before) their release - and if I can find this by simply Googling it, so can anyone.... I would bet dollars to donuts that EA is well aware of this - yet keeps bundling SecuROM 7+ although it severely hurts its sales! Ever wonder why?

    SecuROM has always been more about data-mining and reporting back to its occasional mothership than...fighting piracy. That is why even FREE demos contain SecuROM. And that is why completely uninstalling a game plagued with SecuROM will NOT remove SecuROM - which will keep playing havoc with your system.

    Lately, these security concerns have been accentuated as known Trojans seem to be exploiting SecuROM's backdoor access for their own purposes. In effect, installing a SecuROM-infected game in our computer will be placing your hardware and data at risk long after having uninstalled the game.

    The game publishers that utilize SecuROM (such as EA) realize that they are not actually fighting piracy but use it as a pretext to bundle SecuROM with their product WITHOUT THE INFORMED CONSENT of their customers. A snooping-subroutine would require full disclosure whereas an "antipiracy" scheme can enjoy some more leeway.

    Their near future plans (according to interviews given by their own executives) call for turning our computers into their proprietary consoles where we will be playing games for which we will be paying by the minute.
    This nightmarish Pay-per-Play future apparently depends in them first consolidating their technological hold on as many computers as possible. After all, they see us as their cash-cows and they just started herding us in.


    Tell you what EA, you can keep your defective games and I will keep my hard-earned money. Let's see who has more to loose...

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    • You guys need to get a life, if you want to play a game get a job and buy it instead of downloading it illegal.

      • 1 Reply to bryanfaulkner00
      • You say what? Does that make you feel any better to go around insulting people? If you bothered to read what people write you might see I do work, and have worked for over forty years. If I had downloaded any game illegally I would not have had my pcs borked by Securom 7 and you wouldn't see me here complaining about this company. No I've been stupid enough to buy their games for the last 14 plus years. I also held stock in this company since 1999, but when this is the thanks consumers get for spending their hard earned money on this companies products, for buying their stock and supporting them all these years - they don't deserve anything any better than what's happening to them right now. On top of my stocks my husband also had additional erts stocks in his retirement portfolio. What do you have? Or are you only good at harrassing folks on the boards? Instead of running your mouth go buy some of the Great and Powerful EA's newest pc games and run them on your pcs, or are you not capable or daring enough to try? Just be prepared Securom is the gift that keeps on giving, even long after you uninstall this software from your pc. Oh and make sure you update and patch each game you buy, as Securom 7 really loves those updates you feed it. Keep in mind to register your games, which all my games are registered - hence you have to OWN them legally to register with EA and I have 5 different EA accounts - The Sims 1; the Sims 2; Sims City; Tiger Wood Pro Tours, and the Harry Potter line.

        I just love folks who likes to open their mouth and insert their big foot in it.

        You also have to have registered games to be a part of these lawsuits against EA. So when the CEO spouts BS in answer to reporters queries about the large numbers of consumers screaming foul at EA and he calls all those folks pirates, (perhaps you're related to him?) it just goes to show how ignorant he actually is. In fact if he was so smart he'd check the EA accounts and he'd see we're all registered with EA and our games are right there in our account. The only one J.R. convinces with those lies are fools who don't know any better. You are apparently a prime example and know nothing about gaming. I at least buy the products from the companies whose stocks I've invested in.

    • It just goes on and on and on and on, I've been saying ever since EA started making PC games, they dont fkin listen to the customers, well suck it now you idiots.

      The game has been just released. But I am not going to buy it. I used to a have a standing pre-order but not anymore, that has been long canceled. I gave EA a chance to mend its ways but it failed. Here is why.

      This is a warning Review. Warning of the dangers of the harbored Digital Rights Management (DRM) subroutine that comes unavoidably bundled with the game. This type of DRM (SecuROM 7x with Limited Installations) is well known as it has already been used in at least two other games (BIOSHOCK & MASS EFFECT). So my review is based on first-hand experience of a core aspect of the game.

      Apparently EA would rather keep its customers in the dark. That is why, in the past month, EA Forums got censored, Wikipedia entries selectively edited and Amazon reviews repeatedly deleted. What is worse, Amazon (possibly without knowing it) is breaking the law which requires the full disclosure of bundled snoop-ware.

      LIMITED INSTALLS? Yes, LIMITED INSTALLS!!! We only get to ride this shiny pony for...3 laps! The official announcement mentions "on 3 different computers" but avoids to clarify what a "different computer" makes: will changing the graphics card trigger the loss of a token? what about attaching a new hard-drive (internal or external) or adding a new user account. All the above have been reported to subtract installation tokens from BIOSHOCK or MASS EFFECT.

      And, in order to enforce the limited installations, exactly like BIOSHOCK, there will be IRREMOVABLE FOLDERS placed in our systems' Root that will effectively revoke our Administrator rights to our own PCs!

      Is EA trying to pave the way towards a nightmarish future where PC gaming will be a continuously-billed service (such as cable TV) and not a product?
      Is EA trying to trigger a lemmings stampede towards the Pay-per-Play cliff, where gamers will be regarded as herded cows to be milked over months and years?
      Is the Company trying to turn our PC systems (that we bought and paid for) into their proprietary consoles, hence monstrosities such as SecuROM that offer zero anti-piracy protection?
      According to statements by their own spokespersons (such as John Riccitiello, CEO of EA) the answer to all of the above question is YES. However, I want to make clear that none of these statements had any impact on my rating of this game.

      Is it fair to rate badly a game based on its duration or graphical interface? How about its stability and bugs? How about harboring potentially dangerous subroutines that will render it useless within a 12-16 months? You see how this is going?

      Because in the end, for SPORE it boils down to this: who will actually be owning my copy? Are we to pay $50 only to...RENT this from its publisher - and be potentially pestered with the insulting need to prove our purchase FOREVER?
      And what makes this even harder to understand: will such extreme measures actually prevent piracy? Of course NOT! They did not work for similarly DRM-plagued BIOSHOCK or MASS EFFECT, why should they start working now?

      So, one has to ask: what is next in store for customers that make the mistake of buying such a product? Will they be required to pay again to buy another copy of the game when the first one expires? That is the solution that EA executives came up against piracy: make the paying customers PAY (at least) TWICE to make up for their million dollar bonuses?!

      NO THANKS! No game is worthy of such harassment! Was this review helpful to you? (Report this)

      48 of 56 people found the following review helpful:
      Spore DRM, Sep 8 2008
      By Frank Sabbatical - See all my reviews

      Neurosplicer, the author of the review above mine, said it about as eloquently as you can possibly put it.

      • 2 Replies to jaguarsxxxv
      • As one who had not one, but two state of the art pcs, that were both under 6 months old put into various stages of a giant, unusuable paperweight by EA's drm, and in fact got blacklisted by an editor for failing to deliver my article in a timely manner because I could not get my 6 months of work on this article off of my pc thanks to this DRM blocking me from my work, you can bet I am angry. It is one thing when our family pc was rendered useless by The Sims Bon Voyage game (only at the time we did not know it was because of this game, as EA does not tell you in either their Eula or game instruction pamphlet that they had changed their use of Safedisk Drm to Securom 7.)but a whole other thing when it is you work pc. Not knowing the problem with my family pc was from the game, and having bought the Sims games since they debuted in 2000, did not see a problem using this game on my own personal pc with a younger family member on a rainy Saturday afternoon. Imagine my surprise when I went to use my pc on Monday morning to package up my finished article and burn it onto disk for my editor to find my pc no longer acknowledged I had a dvd-rom, a dvd-rom not even 3 months old, that had worked perfectly 2 days earlier. So off my second pc went to the repairshop, to join the first pc being repaired. That simple little thirty dollar expansion pack from EA cost me over $150 dollars per pc in repair costs, 3 six hour round trips to the city from my house to the repair shops in a 2 ton gas eating pick-up truck (as it was the only transportation avilable to me that week), plus the cost of getting 6 months of work off of the second pc and packaged, sent to my publisher - only to have it stamped refused from untimely response and returned, as the "house" had gone with a back up article in their magazine. I am not disclosing the cost of that loss, but I can assure you it was substantial. Here I sit a year later, and still feeling the sting of that editors ire, and all because EA apparently thinks their entire consumer base is made up of mindless morons and twelve year olds with nothing better to do than go to school and game. Which is extremely odd seeing many of their games are rated Teen - adult, etc and the average gamer for EA games is 25-45 years old.

        Am I angry? Does red-faced seething give you any clue? Am I suing EA? Did I also sell off every EA and Sony bits of stock I had in my retirement stock portfolio and recommend the same to my many - MANY friends and family? You betcha!

      • I saw this coming since last year. I've played some of EA's flagship games and none of them really stood out as being a quality game. While its competitors are stressing more on quality and customer satisfaction, EA's lagging behind with mediocre games. And the gamers are turning to renting these mediocre games for a fraction of the price rather than dishing out 50-60 dollars for them.

        Flyerd1, you're an imbecile to think ERTS was going to make you money. It's 2008 now and where's the $70 level you've been preaching for months? I rarely see you on the boards anymore? Lost all your money and can't pay for internet? Lost your house in Hawaii?? GG NO RE!

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