I departed & ret'd at the same time ('07) and still note nothing has changed. Same tiresome stock pushers, still some here I thought would be gone and this ship has almost run aground. The company heirarchy are thieves and you olden goldies probably cannot leave and seek anything else, which is too damn sad. The true only thing that will change is that this same ole crap will change for the worse. I did not hesitate one moment when I told an old competitor to me do NOT join Zep, you'll die quicker on the vine than where you are! Retirement is much greater than some of my high moments at Zep, which were few.