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  • simple_pleasures_miami simple_pleasures_miami Oct 26, 2012 9:45 PM Flag

    Questions about ANGI's building

    My critical take on Angi sterm largely from being a short. ANGI'S is buying the building it rents from Bossman Osterle for $6 Million ostensibly to save the $1.5 million in rent Oesterle is collecting annually. Lets look at the timing. Why would ANGI give up $6 million which will shorten its predicted life. Answer because when ANGI folds two things could happen. The leftover company in Chapter 11 could continue to operate without paying rent or whats left of the company could move and Oesterle might have a lot of trouble renting or selling it for anywhere near the money he is getting from ANGI. However Oesterle is a consumate insider and when ANGI goes belly up chapter 11, the bankruptcy court migh plough back some or all of the $ 6 million. Maybe Oesterle figures if the $1.5 million if saved in expenses it will help sell more shares. Or maybe Oesterle is dumber than he is sad. Question. What happens if Angi is able to get a mortgage for the $6 million. Will Oesterle still be subject to have the money clawed back. Maybe only the downpayment will have to come back because it will be the mortgagor who is getting screwed.

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

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    • christianegeskov Mar 15, 2013 10:12 AM Flag

      What can you say about this........pretty rotten, imo!

    • christianegeskov Nov 9, 2012 4:55 AM Flag

      Where is the SEC?

    • christianegeskov Nov 5, 2012 3:35 AM Flag

      It is an obvious theft from shareholders - The BK lawyers will tear this deal apart.

    • If angi gets a mortgage, the bank iS probably a non -recourse creditor for the amount, they probably can't claw anything back. Other creditors wouldn't be harmed, since the mortgage proceeds go to oesterle and are neutral to them. No clawback, I'd say, unless there is some appraisal fraud against the mortgage bank

      Sentiment: Strong Sell

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      • simple_pleasures_miami simple_pleasures_miami Oct 27, 2012 11:57 AM Flag

        Thank You for your Analysis. So if the bank is smart it will carefully scrutinize the entire landscape and consider the likelihood of Angie's going to chapter 11 or downsizing dramatically and moving. The bank might demand a large downpayment or give a partial mortgage or demand some kind of iron clad security beyond the building. If Oesterle benefits from money or obligations from the firm beyond the mortgage proceeds, it seems these should be subject to claw back.
        I dont think Angie's list will die. The list itself ( the profiles and email addresses of the subcribers and former subscribers) will likely be sold and resold for a long time. If the company goes to chapter 11, you could expect employees with unpaid wages to walk out the door with the list.
        I am short Angie's and my outlook may not be objective. When you unsubscribe from Angie's list and then Angie sends you an offer of 70% off on air duct cleaning, you know you are being set up to be shafted. Whether Angie's knew about the air duct cleaning business, I dont know, but you can be sure the air duct cleaning people were all set. Angie's is not in chapter 11 and they have lots of cash to hold them some quarters. I am giving opinions of what seems very logical outcomes that are not certain.

        Sentiment: Strong Sell

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