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  • crazy1090631 crazy1090631 Dec 10, 2011 11:54 AM Flag

    GLD=MF Global according to Bix

    Weir and Harvey Organ. Organ testified in front of the cftc as an expert months ago. Derivatives in gold and silver markets gonna blow. If these guys are correct GLD goes to fricking zero while gold jumps quickly to $4500 and silver to $1000. I know it sound impossible, but silver is derivatived at 1000 to one!

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    • If its in the fine print at E*Trade, Scottrade, and Fidelity, its in the fine print everywhere.
      Meaning- if you trade on margin, expect that your margin is currently re-hypothecated by your broker. As in loaned out to itself or THE MORGUE!
      Which means that if your broker goes the way of the Dodo bird (as E*Trade came within hours of doing in Oct of 2008), you can kiss your cash goodbye, just like MF Global clients have.
      If your re-hypothecated collateral has been used to purchase derivatives, the counter-party to your brokerage who re-hypothecated your assets WILL LAY CLAIM TO YOUR BROKERS' ASSETS (YOUR COLLATERAL) AS THEY HOLD SENIOR STATUS UNDER CURRENT BANKRUPTCY LAW!!
      This is what just went down with MF Global and JP Morgan, and why Mr. Dimon is walking around with a big grin on his face.


    • And Fidelity (at least Fidelity uses English when they describe how they're going to f*** you- seriously, how many of you had re-hypothecation in your vocabulary prior to yesterday!?!)

      "Fidelity can loan out (to itself or others) the securities that collateralize your margin borrowing. If it does, you may not be entitled to receive, with respect to securities that are lent, certain benefits that normally accrue to a securities owner, such as the ability to exercise voting rights, or to receive interest, dividends, or other distributions."

    • And likewise Scottrade's fine print:

      All securities and other property now or hereafter held, carried, or maintained by us in or for your account may, from time to time without notice to you, be pledged, re-pledged, hypothecated, or re-hypothecated by us, either separately or in common with other securities and other property. The values received may be greater than the amount you owe us.

    • guess I will just copy and paste some text...

      (b) Loan or Pledge of Securities
      I authorize E*TRADE Securities to lend either to itself or to others any Securities and/or Other Property held by E*TRADE Securities in my Margin Account to the extent permitted by law. I understand that within the limitations imposed by applicable laws, rules and regulations all of my securities and/or other property may be pledged and repledged and hypothecated and rehypothecated by E*TRADE Securities. This can occur without my being notified, either separately or together with other securities and/or other property of other customers of E*TRADE Securities, for any amount due E*TRADE Securities in any Account in which I have an interest; provided, however, that E*TRADE Securities may not undertake such actions from any Account for any amount due E*TRADE Securities in any retirement Account or from a retirement Account for any amount due E*TRADE Securities in any other Account

    • testing (yahoo wont let me post)

    • I don't think so. Aren't "Borrowed" securities held by the brokerage firm, not shipped out elsewhere as with the missing MF funds?

    • Those brokerage firms are doing the same thing with our margin accounts that MF was doing with client's gold.

    • Thanks for the link, I am not sure I believe them, but I have no other info about the security of the GLD's stash.

      I agree there is risk in the GLD and SLV. There is also risk keeping gold in your house or in a bank where the government can easily sieze it. I guess it pays to own some protective puts for GLD and SLV for very low strikes and be clever about physical storage.


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