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"I think atyt might be at or close to the bottom."it could be. i dont think (see previous 2 posts ) but i cant tell the future yet either. all i can do is look at the data i have and make assumptions based on it.I would much rather miss the absolute bottom and catch the stock on the ride up, rather than hope for the best.When i see stupidly low oversold shares or ati displaying strength again w/ products that can compete then i will contemplate if it is wise to get in.longhorn will require a 3d accelerator.Now no one know how powerful of an accelerator it will have to be.Best case would be if it required something that more powerful than the intergrated crap intel puts out. I doubt that though as Micro$oft and Intel have a long history.This would be more of an advantage to ati as ati fights intc a good bit. nvidia does not. last intergrated chipset they had was the nforce 2 motherboard.The are comming out w/ a nforce 4 w/ a intergrated 6200 built in though.btw i owned s3 virge dx - horrible card.. HOrrible!tnt 2 ultra (cost me 229 at the time.. highest costing card of its era!! 229!! insane!!)voodoo 4 (50% off price, going out of business sale)geforce 2 ultra (online deal got it for 127 and sold it 3 months later for 157)geforce 3 ti200ati 8500 128meg le (le? i think) absolute crap....horrible is an understatement. Sent back asap. Replaced w/ a Gamecube (ati flipper chip anyone?)geforce 4 4200ati 9800 pro (flashed to XT)geforce 6800 Oc 128 meg.also ive owned a tnt m64, matrox g200, geforce 2, geforce 1, voodoo 2 in SLI, some rage 3d card, voodoo banshie, geforce 4 4600and last but not least..my 1994 pentium 120mhz w/ ONE MEG of Intergrated Video Ram . FEEL THE PAIN! :)