Believe me, the R520 will smoke nvidia's 7800 line. I'm saying this based on what ATI is capable of when they set their talents to the task. Management and direction, as we all know today, is terribly pitifull. The real problem right now with the R520 is that it is late. Aug-Sept is probably when we're likely to see any out on the shelves. This is not a high volume back-to-school product but it is a high profile product nonetheless. One more thing: Jen BS's like he breathes. ATI was able to overtake nvidia's performance crown before and to say it'll never happen again is just setting himself up for looking stupid when it happens again.