all shippers up with the BDI. I expect the BDI to continue to rise into October. Recent increases in capesize rates are primarily due to strong demand in China for iron ore. We are just beginning the North American grain export season. US bulk agricultural shipments typically are 30% higher in October over September. Increased grain shipments should help panamax rates. This is a perfect storm with the industry being down. The economies of all nations are down and the optimism is running over. This in its self could bring change and a turn. We will see. Right now it is a must play game as it has fallen to a point were you cant get hurt much and the upside could make the fund managers year. Its like all the sectors before that have rallied. CALL it hot money or market repair it has hit all sectors.