Synopsys unifies synthesis and placement
(11/11/99, 12:22 p.m. EDT)
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. � Promising a dramatic shift in the
way high-performance chips are designed, Synopsys
Inc. on Wednesday (Nov. 10) rolled out Physical
Compiler, a single product that tightly couples synthesis
with placement. Based on long-awaited technology
code-named PhysOpt, the new product has already received
rave reviews from customers who are claiming huge time
savings and performance gains.
pointing out that Physical Compiler lacks detailed routing
and other important physical design features.
Synopsys' product enters a market already crowded with
differing approaches to linking logical and physical
Behind any competitive posturing,
however, is a clear shift to a new generation of design
tools that can provide substantial productivity gains.
And the inexorable trend towards tying synthesis and
layout into a single process is accelerating,
exemplified by the full, legal placement provided by Physical
"What we are announcing is one of the
crowning jewels of our work," said Aart de Geus, chairman
and chief executive officer of Synopsys. "It brings
together fundamental synthesis technology with fundamental
placement technology, all in one solution."
product has already led to successful tape-outs, de Geus
said, and has in fact generated significant revenue for
Synopsys in the past two quarters. At press conferences
held at several locations this week, designers from
Nvidia, Matrox, NEC and STMicroelectronics spoke of
slashing weeks off design cycles while, in some cases,
reducing negative slack by an order of magnitude or more.
For high-performance blocks, Physical Compiler
underlies a new methodology in which register-transfer
level (RTL) designers can go all the way to a final
placement. And that, in turn, promises to change today's EDA
"Our belief is that this can really
change the whole layout market," said de Geus. "We are
looking at a significant piece of that market now being
connected to front-end design, and of course we won't sit
still until we fill in whatever blanks are left."
Synopsys' recent thrust into physical design puts
considerable pressure on Cadence Design Systems Inc. and
Avanti Corp., although both are responding with
solutions of their own. Cadence's Envisia PKS product links
synthesis and placement into a single product, and Avanti's
Jupiter product closely ties synthesis to Avanti layout
What no other competitor has, however, is
Synopsys' overwhelming market leadership in synthesis. With
recent financial results that make it the EDA industry's
revenue leader, Synopsys is riding a wave of considerable
Morongia started the name calling and the bad
mouthing. I won't stop until he cleans up his act totally
or uses another ID without the trash talk. So far,
he still can't resist the trash talk. Don't you
think he should grow up.
He isn't liked anywhere-
can't we get him to leave here? At least his ID and
Where is his great original
technical analysis. I've shown his posts are junk. CDN has
gone nowhere since he arrived. He hasn't responded to
my easy financial questions with any meaningful
If he knew anything technical, he would know that PC
is a SNPS product and not a CDN product and that his
post was totally inaccurate. He has shown, by example,
why you should have some technical knowledge of the
stock that you are trading. Yet he still insists that
his way is the only way...
To you pc_cobra:
just ignore my credibility
Morongia's credibility = -99 (no technical knowledge) still
Please stop baiting Momo. He has toned it down a
bit recently and I think that this board is better
off because of it.
By all means have your say, but
you are getting as bad as Momo used to be with your
continuous credibility and character ratings.
appreciate your posts, but not the personal attacks.
I saw the same thing, *NOT. In fact, if you look
on the same page for the SNPS recommendations, you
see GS recommended "buy" with the exact same summary.
On the same day.
Momo, you seem to know where
all of this stuff is on the web, can you confirm that
GS actually issued this. I looked on the GS website
and couldn't find anything. If not I'll assume it is
some webmaster's typo and not a real analyst
<11/11/99 - Goldman Sachs - reiterates market
perform, launched yesterday its flagship physical
synthesis product, Physical Compiler>
isn't "hold" a polite way of saying "underperform/sell"
because brokers don't like to anger their
Second, why would they recommend "hold" based on a
flagship synthesis product release from SNPS. What is the
analyst thinking/reporting? Has he confused his vendors
and/or their products? Where is the tie in? Why would I
even think this evaluation was worth
Third, you haven't explained why the 8 other Guru's on
Reesegroup's report had "No Interest" in
morongia's credability = -66 falling
morongia's character = .5 (couldn't resist the gutter talk
Of course you are correct to berate me for trying
to predict the very next days' price movement. Of
course. But maybe you missed the point of those attempts.
All that I tried to do was stimulate or bait some
investment talk here with others who may read the mechanic
tech talk, and feel hesitant to jump in with some
All this daily babble about mechanics
has been justified by some, that ultimately that's
what drives the price of the stock. So learn it? Read
it? No one here disputes Cadence's products, that
they are viable, competetive and a leader in their
industry. We know that. Taking apart and putting back the
engine as part of a daily chat is tiresome and not in
the direction of investment info(rememeber now, I
said that we know CDN has highly technical and
industry leading products, we already know that).
this theory on for size:
The more analysts that
cover a stock, the more clients will follow their
recommendations. The more clients in any single stock, the more
money fueling that issue's advance.
In my opinion,
if you get the gist of that, all the previous tekkie
posting has never addressed that theory. That's too bad.
By the way, it's Yahoo Finance, not Yahoo Techtalk.
Maybe you and the boys should see if Yahoo can give you
all another site where these sorts of discussions go
on everyday and then you may even broaden your
poster base there.
Well anyway, I hope that maybe
you can understand my frustration, other boards enjoy
talking about who's buying the stock, what company may be
interested in buying the company, what analyst likes it,
But not here I guess, ahh shucks!
> Had I been right, would you have ran to your
computer and sang praise of momo?
I would have been impressed. In fact I am generally
impressed with your ability to read the internals of
markets. Unfortunately, this skill is hidden by your
fascination with feminine hygene products and your insistence
that anything you don't understand isn't worth
Further, I'll give you this. I think that had people not
gotten quite uncertain due to the Fed meeting tomorrow,
that CDN probably would have gone up substantially.
But that's my point: picking stock movements on a
day-to-day basis is very tough, since stocks are moved by
exogenous factors which I, at least, don't understand. If
you do, more power to you: you'll make short-term
However, I'll give you a lead-pipe cinch. IF Cadence
executes on its current technology direction (integrates
QPlace with PKS well, then ships Nano), then Cadence
profits will be at record highs within a year. Unless
rationality has entirely left the stock market, the price
will be in the forties. I can't call the price to the
dollar, but it will be way above where it is now. And,
yes, I can see that a lot more clearly than I can see
whether Cadence will be up or down tomorrow -- largely
because at any given time market prices always fluctuate
about a mean, and while it's reasonably easy to see
what the mean ought be at any point in time, it's very
hard to call the fluctuations.