before you go any
With technology changing so rapidly from Phone lines
to Cables to
digital wireless cables, all the
incurred by ISPs in phone line
connections may go down the
drain in days to come. Plus,
in India Zee-owned Citi cable
& Hinduja's have a
stron hold in cable business which will
chances of making any money, if at all there was
I am a neutral observer of the ISP business & just
should share my knowledge with
I am neither Short, nor Long on SIFY !!
response on this highly appreciated.
Nobody is interested in listening to you because
thats not what they came here for.
ARE right, not always with sound reasoning, you
forget that people come to the stock market to make
money, and so far listening to you they would have lost.
Not listening to you they won. you may be right in 3
months time, who cares, all that matters is today. The
stock market is where either you screw, or get screwed
! Trying to lecture on what is correct is hardly
worth it. What are you trying to prove?
thanks for pointing it out if your conscience doesnt
permit you to see others getting whacked ! If people
want to take the sweet poison, how can you stop it?
StocksBondRus - you are risking lot
just for 3 - 5 $ gains... woof
i.e. for only 3% of
There are lot of people who do
and don't realize the amount of $ s
they risk for
a 3% return.. I have
known people buying 1000
a $50 stock for 2 point gain..
lot of the gains people make this way
luck and sort of gambling..
Most of those people
end up losing
money because they become
after making few of those successful
loose out when the stock
take a one shot $10 hit..
don't cover or sell.. and keep
and stock keeps going doing further
(or up in your
case when it shot up
from $158 to $170) and finally
Just a note.. I always invest my
doing some math for expected returns..
trade... because past history
and trades do not mean
they are history..
well, the less I say about it, the better. About
the prices going to infinity. I am sure you made an A
in Finance 101 but the real world is quite
I know amzn, i had invested in amzn, amzn was my
friend and let me tell you, infy is no amzn.
I agree in that INFY defies logic and need to be
careful in shorting it. I usually short and cover it as
soon as it drops 3 to 5 points. I don't wait for it to
drop to below 100 (like I was hoping for)...but just
go for in and out strategy. I am very happy with the
money I have been making shorting INFY. I was down few
weeks ago when my avg short price was 158 and stock
shot up to 170 plus. But now, I have made up for it
all and then some more by nibbling away on my short
I don't give a art's ass if INFY goes to 10 or
1000...so long as it stays volatile. Shorting works fine so
long as I know that it will drop at least a couple of
points below my price ...lately, some of the intra day
swings has allowed to cover for my shorts on the same
any stock is...
by: quantgal 10/30/1999 5:34
Msg: 1576 of 1590
both dangerous to
short as well as go long. You see you can lose money
either way. I am just taking advantage of the temporary
insanity in INFY valuation. Insanity does not last forever
and when senses come back, we shall see a reasonable
valuation. Until then I get interest on my short proceeds
and wait it out.
Yes both are risky. However the risk is no where near
Say the price is 150 and some have
Max profit from shorting is when infy
falls to 0 i.e 150 * 100 = 15000
Max loss for longs
On the flip side ... the max loss
= 100 * 1000000000000000
max profits for longs (infinite).
short stocks .....yes, maybe,
Should you stand front of a rolling train.....no, never,
Fundamentals did not drive DCLK to 200 or
AMZN to whatever its value pre-split is. Something
else did. And I am sure lot of C++ programmers bought
INFY is overvalued? Maybe, maybe
not. Do me a favor look at many US stocks which trade
on LSE(London) or BSE(Berlin) and compare the
valuations, you will realize that the model you are using is
not necessarily right. The model many are using is
So I shorted a stock
once....Merill Lynched me!!!
I have made over 300K in shorting various stocks
over last 2 years.
But this stock (INFY) just
baffels me, all my analysis, research etc is thrown apart
in front of this.
Lost 10K in shorting at 150
and at 110. If I did not cover at the right time I
could have lost over 90K.
Boys & girls dont play
with this puppy, its too dangerous.
I can do better. You are stupid, pointless,
clueless moron who has his head up his ass and nobody can
tell the differnce. When you lose your shirt, and
everything you own (probably not much), you are going to
play cry baby. You guys are so clueless about
valuation. I mean how can you justify $10 Bil for this
company. Just go back to the rathole you creeped up from
and rejoice in your ignorance while the MMs eat your
lunch and then eat you alive.
You are one of the
Nice to see some intelligent conversation on the
board for a change
Liked your analysis of INFY
market cap and what it really is - liked your rebuttal
to QUANTMORON even more - that idiot has been
ranting from $50 or so - wonder how much he has lost so
far - thinks he is a genius - but has looked pretty
stupid so far.
Quantgal your valuation analysis is flawed!
First I don't understand why u comparing
with ITIG ?
The only thing he believes (like everyone
that INFY is overvalued. Lot of agree that it is. But
it is not guranteed that the it will drop! Only time
It may drop because of volatility and u
can make money either ways in volatility . If it can
go up from 50 to 150 in few days it can also go back
down in few days.
Just reminds me of the time
kept shorting AOL and were always
I can point u to another most heavily
stock from % point - TALK and has positive
and very low valuation!! Reason -
both dangerous to short as well as go long. You
see you can lose money either way. I am just taking
advantage of the temporary insanity in INFY valuation.
Insanity does not last forever and when senses come back,
we shall see a reasonable valuation. Until then I
get interest on my short proceeds and wait it out.