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  • laodingg laodingg Oct 10, 2011 10:41 PM Flag

    ZhongPin: No Fraud At All, Target Price $40

    ZhongPin: No Fraud At All, Target Price $40

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    • How much PE ratio will you give it if there is no any fraud concern for one Chinese food company? I will give it 20, so the target price for me is $40, I dare not say it will be reached in 6 months or 36 months, because the price is not based on ‘valuation’, is based on ‘supply/demand’, the shorters absolutely can dump it to $5 or even lower if they ‘create’ the ‘demand’ in such a circumstance of shorting China.

    • I do not either want to spend too much time on the valuation, the EPS estimation from most analysts are pretty close, like range $1.84-$2.01; I am pretty optimistic with the EPS of 2011, the brand 1 and 2 company, Shuanghui and Yurun are experiencing the food safty issue now, Shuanghui reported a loss in 2nd quarter and Yurun will have this negative impact since the 3rd quarter; Zhongpin will beat the analyst’s esitmaiton in the 2nd half of 2011, I will say it like at least $2.1.

    • Also stupid is holding on to a loser.

    • IS THE NET INCOME OVERSTATED?

      GEO states: revenues between PRC and SEC filings are in line, that is good; no need to prove how the revenue makes sense by comparing with peers. So how about the gross margin or net income?

      Let us take a look what UBS was saying on Aug 15, 2011:

      The margin gross for Shuanghui is based on the consolidation between ShuanghuiFazhan and its parent company; the gross margin for Zhongpin is in the middle of the first 5 brands, which corresponds to its sales ranking.

      As we breakdown all the sales into chilled, frozen, LTMP (low temperature meat product) and HTMP (high temperature meat product), we will find all the gross margin by segment among each company are all in the line as well.

    • THE CAPEX/TONS FOR PREPARED PORK
      SHUANGHUI: n Shuanghui 2010 Annual report Page 34:
      (http://www.cninfo.com.cn/finalpage/2011-04-29/59362821.PDF , SORRY no english version)
      Invest 172 Million RMB (26 MM) on a prepared pork project of the 120 tons per day (43.8 K tons) which means $595 per tons.

      This is almost the same with Zhongpin’s Tianjin’s project of 36,000 tons with cap of 21MM,

      LTMP/HTMP Project Incremental Capacity (000s Tons) Capex
      (millions) Capex per Ton
      Shuanghui: 44 $26 $595
      Zhongpin 36 $21 $583
      Source: annual reports

      That is average cost / ton for prepared pork is around $590; Zhongpin has 308,000 tons capacity built and in progress, which needs the cap of around 182 MM.

      THE CAPEX/TONS FOR CHILLED/FROZEN PORK
      The No.5 brand ‘DELISI’ was IPOed in earlier 2010 for one project of capacity of 200M heads (approximately 150,000 TONS) annually with cap of 189 MM RMB (USD30MM ), $200/ton, half with chilled and half with frozen pork.
      http://www.cninfo.com.cn/finalpage/2009-12-22/57423439.PDF page 1-1-18

      The average cost of 100M heads slaughter line with all chilled and frozen products is around 130 MM RMB currently in China (this is most popular average industry cost per tons for chilled and frozen pork), which means the average cost is $275/tons; this amount will be different among different cities due to the different land right use cost.

      Zhongpin has the capacity of 838780 tons both built and in process, which needs Caps between 167MM to 230 MM. Zhongpin states they invest the most efficient plant (their plants has the highest utilization rate at 77%, so assume the total cpaex for upstream business is 230MM.


      The total invest Capex is $ 412 MM; compared with total funds from the raising activities $432, there is no obvious difference.
      Table 5 - Zhongpin Capital Raising Activity - 2006 to 2011
      Raise Type 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 Cumulative Combined
      Equity (net long term debt, millions $) 23 63 0 57 0 66 209 $432*
      Debt (net long term debt, millions $) 0 12 43 32 49 87 223
      Source: GEO

      The 3rd point with Jefferies data is that the Shuanghui and People`s food are focusing on the downstream businees, also Shuanghui buys most of products from its parent company so that the products in tons were not produced by itself. THEY ARE NOT COMPARABLE AT ALL AS A WHOLE COMPANY.

      The CapEx in Zhongpin is reasonable and in line with peers, the doubt from GEO is because they are lack of the common sense in pork industry.

    • Zhongpin was close at $6.74 with a trailing PE of 3.6, a forward PE of 2.76, PEG ratio of 0.23 , as a fast-growing Chinese Food company, this such a low price tells us only one thing, like CER, GEO ,Jefferies and some individulals stated, it is a fraud.

      Is that a fraud for Zhongpin? Absolutely Not and it will deserve the 20X PE at a target price of $40.

      There are 2 focus articals to elaborate how Zhongpin ‘could’ be fraudulent, let me summarize them and try to dig into those allegations to see how poor those ‘researches’ are.

      1) CER: Zhongpin: Where Are the Pigs?

      Zhongpin claims it purchases 1.1mil hogs from large breeding farms in Henan annually, but the farms say only 81,000, 93% less than Zhongpin’s reported figures.
      The company claims more than 1,200 retail stores in major cities in Henan, but detailed checks in all five cities failed to find more than 83.
      Zhongpin claims to sell through more than 2,000 supermarkets nationwide. But in Henan, Zhongpin’s most important market, only 51 supermarkets were found to carry Zhongpin brand products.
      Evidence collected indicates slaughterhouse output is insufficient to sustain reported totals, and based on anecdotal evidence could well be only 50% of reported output.
      2) GEO: Overstated Income, Excessive Capex and Deceptive SAIC Filings
      Overstatement of SEC net income vs. SAIC filings by nearly 500% in 2009.
      GEO estimates 2010 net income of $10-20 million vs. $58 million reported to the SEC.
      Deliberate manipulation of SAIC filings.
      Likely diversion of almost $150 million of reported capex.
      Inconsistent trends between inventories and sales.
      Repeated capital raisings, despite assurances to investors that none were needed.
      Capex concerns already noted by Roth Capital resulting in downgrade.

 
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