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  • r42442 r42442 Dec 6, 2012 9:30 PM Flag

    special div

    Why not pay out a special div .of $.75 of undistributed income plus the reg. $1.25 div and still have $.78 left divided by 4 q =$.195 added to the $1.25 =$1.485 div per q give money back to the shareholders.

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    • The fallacy in your logic is that AGNC no longer has ~$1.50 in undistributed income. They have already announced (and commenced to buy) a stock buy-back valued at $500M --- almost all of the undistributed income. That stock buy-back becomes an expense against earnings at the end of the year, so that the remaining undistributed income will be near zero (and no income taxes will be owed).

      Management decided that it would be in the shareholders best interests to spend this undistributed income to buy back AGNC stock (increasing book value) rather than issuing a special dividend (which reduces book value).

      Sentiment: Buy

      • 2 Replies to alw59saw
      • The buyback has no effect on earnings. It reduces cash, capital and shares outstanding. It does have the effect of increasing the per share amount of undistributed income due to fewer shares outstanding.


      • alw59saw , that's completely wrong.
        As a reit they have to distribute 90% of their taxable income and cannot spend it on a buy back.

        They will use cash on the balance sheet.
        They ended the quarter with over two billion in cash on hand.
        That will easily cover any buy back.

        The buy back will increase the undistributed taxable income just by reducing the number of shares outstanding.

    • There will BE NO SPECIAL DIVIDEND. This management always pays excise tax on undistributed gains. I guess they like to preserve book value.

      • 1 Reply to instantwinbutton
      • "This management always pays excise tax on undistributed gains. "

        They do? I don't think so. They pay the 90% of gains it takes to get the excise tax waived.

        They don't have to cover 90% by EOY, either. They have 9 months following EOY to get to a total distribution for this calendar year of 90% of earnings for this calendar year. Or is it 6? Actually I think it's 6 after some date that's effectively 3 months after EOY for a different reason. Whichever, if they've distributed enough by September 2013 to cover it, even if they're just keeping the div constant as earnings decline in 2013, then they don't pay excise on 2012 earnings.

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