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Ray ! I have a Sig 220 and 226 that are excellect but heavy for conceled carry. I plan to buy a Snub nose 38 Special with enclosed hammer and dehorned for pocket holster carry. A S&W or Ruger that the custom shop has cleaned up. The small light weapon that is easy to carry is better than the one you left at home if needed.
""I plan to buy a Snub nose 38 Special with enclosed hammer and dehorned for pocket holster carry""
I have this gun, in the S&W stainless, 5 shot revolver, 2 inch, 1lb loaded, no safety, carried in a front pocket, loose pants slip in holster, and I carry a concealed weapon permit. I carry it, Ray85, when I go downtown at night to the symphony with my wife. Bad part of town, if you know what I mean. Plain clothes police officer knifed up badly by a homeless dude a few years back in the same block.
I am very aware of my surroundings. If approached we move, if followed, we run, if attack imminent, and bodily injury probable, I would draw my weapon and attempt to kill the attacker. There is none of the, "shoot him in the foot to slow him down", mentality in my vocabulary. You maybe, if lucky, get one shot, and I will take it, if, God forbid, my life or those I am with are threatened.
Another anecdotal "aside". On vacation in Kihei, HI years ago(17 maybe), my wife wanted to head down to Kihei town about 10:30-11;00 PM for some ice cream. We were in S Kihei, close to Wailea, and that part of town was not well lighted. Since I had just arrived by plane and not having a HI concealed weapon permit, I was un-armed.
About the walk, I advised against it but women in my house have a way of prevailing...;-) So now we're getting close to a strip mall, a block away or so, and I spot a group(6) of local natives across the street jumping up and hitting a metal road sign with their fists and clubs(not usually a good sign...sorry).
We are blocks away from our condo now, and the road we just traveled is really dark going back, so I tell my wife who's commenting about the beautiful evening, the great smelling flowers, etc, that we are going to encounter some guys who are going to call out to us. PLEASE keep walking, do not look over at them, and once past do not look back but keep walking.
Well my wife is quite naive in the things of the world, which is great, except at times like these. She is quite attractive also, and as we passed we got the typical "Cat Calls" about her spending some time with them, and worse. I told her to keep walking and not to look back...well she looked back and when she did they took off running and that was it.
I grabbed her, just about pulling her out of her shoes, as she kept turning, shocked at the fact that these gentlemen had clubs which she had not noticed before, and were disturbing her nice walk. I think she wanted to be like our beloved leader and sit down and reason with them(sorry).
They were also gaining as we made the driveway of the strip mall. Fortunately for us, and unfortunately for a 20 something Haole, driving into the strip mall cutting the band of gentlemen off from their prey, they descended upon the car, much like that movie with the African Killer Bees, yanking the poor kid from the vehicle and giving him the beating intended for myself and perhaps my wife.
We continued our run and watched with the rent-a-cop security guy with the badge, but no weapon, from inside a store. We asked the Haole cop what he was going to do? He looked at us rather surprised. Maybe he didn't know English...
BTW, It was a very bad situation and ethical questions(for me) still prevail to this day. I still would have run, even if armed. I like to believe I would have told my wife to keep running and have stood to meet the attackers. I like to think I would have shot one warning shot in the air, but I have played that thought out many times. Were they also armed, did that matter, with one shot fired, I would only have four shots left, and there were 6 attackers. They were probably high on Meth or the equivalent which would make anything less than a shot to a vital organ worthless.Once one of their company was shot and they reached me I would certainly pay with my life. Ugly decisions all, but I like to believe I would have stood my ground if it meant the safety of my wife.
The darned thing is I believe, in my case, my efforts would have been in vain, as i know my wife, and she would have come back and tried to beat them all up for hurting me...
I don't ever plan to carry a concealed weapon. When I go to the firing range I leave my bullets at home and buy the reloads that they sell at the range and the unloaded gun is in the storage box in which it came in when I purchased it. I do this for practical reasons since if I get pulled over and they find a registered gun in the car, they can only make an issue of it if bullets can be quickly put into it. If there are no bullets and thus it cannot be used as a weapon then there is no possible way one can be charged with a crime even if the police officer is not rational. This may be over kill because I have not been stopped by a police officer in over 30 years as I don't break traffic laws but you can never be too careful. I'm the guy that everyone gets #$%$ off at because I drive too conservatively.
However I keep my guns loaded at home and concealed in a drawer next to the bed. My wife has a different gun next to her side in case she awakes and I don't.
I have been robbed at gun point twice, once when I was in a friends apartment and two guys came in with guns in hand and we were caught off guard. About a year latter a different set of guys came to the same apartment but this time he had a 44 magnum and one of the two ended up going to jail but the other one got away. When he saw the diameter of the bore of the 44 magnum they took off running, both in different directions. So it was not possible to catch them both. I came out when I heard him yelling frantically to stop one of the guys who ran into the court yard where a lot of apartment doors had access but I was on the second floor. About 5 other people who were on the first floor came out of their apartments and tackled him and they held him until the police came. Two of them were OSU football players who happened to live in our apartment complex so they were well suited for the task.
Now I no longer assume that when someone knocks on the door that the person on the other side is friendly. My guns are for home defense only and target practice. I have no need for a concealed weapon as I have never encountered a situation when someone has tried to rob me when I am in public. They seem to prefer to come to your home and do it there in private behind closed doors. At least that is what has happened to me. For those who want to remain unarmed. Good luck with that. All I can say was that the in the first robbery when they told us all to get in the bath room I can remember as they led us back there that all of us were looking at each other with that knowing look that we all understood that we were thinking that this was it, that they were going to kill us. We were horrified for a moment until they closed the door and ran off.
I will never allow myself to be in that situation again as the stories I have heard of others since then is that they did try to kill them so there would be no witnesses. They even openly talked about disposing the witnesses in front of them which was what got them to stop being passive and create a situation which caused the robbers to run off before they had a chance to killed them and they ended up with nonlethal wounds but are still alive, obviously, or how else would they tell their story. All these people how have home defense weapons. I don't know of very many people who have actually been robbed at gun point in their homes who don't. It's a wakeup call that most don't ignore. Reality sucks. But it is what it is. Ignore it at your own risk.
My wife once had someone try to break in who apparently wanted to rape her. After that she bought a 12 gage shot gun that almost knocks her over when she shoots it. I convinced her that a shot gun was a little extreme and that a hand gun would be adequate. We got rid of the shot gun. At least if you have to shoot someone with a hand gun there is a good chance they will live. Also you don't use up your bullets so fast.
A baseball bat would have accomplished what those guns did. And if you'd had a gun in that story with the bathroom, the robbers would have opened fire on you immediately instead of talking about it and running away. As for "nonlethal wounds but still alive" that's just code for "they're lucky handguns are ridiculously inaccurate".
While interesting, your story RayB is inconsistent on so many levels, it borders on the ludicrous. To list just the glaring inconsistencies:
1) " I don't ever plan to carry a concealed weapon. When I go to the firing range I leave my bullets at home.....I do this for practical reasons since if I get pulled over and they find a registered gun in the car..If there are no bullets... then there is no possible way one can be charged with a crime"
Wow, get a concealed weapon permit, carry on your person in the car, and you avoid the concern. No???
2) "I have no need for a concealed weapon as I have never encountered a situation when someone has tried to rob me when I am in public. They seem to prefer to come to your home"
Uh, am I the only one who laughed when I read that?? Do you have some manual which indicates a criminal's preferred method to rob, maim and murder??
My experience has been just the opposite. I have been threatened verbally with death when stopped(cornered) in my vehicles with the bad guy blocking my escape. His words, "I am going to come over there and drag you out of your car and kill you". Maybe he didn't read RayB's manual for the preferred method of killer's attacks..he should have waited until I got home, parked my car, unlocked my house, unlocked my gun safe, retrieved my ammunition, loaded my gun and then waved my gun in the air, with that large caliber scary barrel, hopefully sending him running....;-)
"I will never allow myself to be in that situation again as the stories I have heard of others since then is that they did try to kill them" .....Uh, huh!!
Might want to reconsider that concealed weapon permit!!
3) How did that gun confrontation play with the robber facing you with his weapon and you having the time to draw your 44 and "scare" him away with that ferocious looking weapon?? Did you wave it a few times in clockwise or counter clockwise fashion? You aren't dead, and damned lucky...Don't own a weapon if you plan on only scaring folks with it....
The liberals on this thread are correct in that sense. Weapons(concealed carry or home defense) are for one purpose, and it is not to scare....
Finally, you carelessly recommend home security with loaded weapons without the warning that there is certain ammunition you must use for stopping the invader which will reduce the likelihood of harming those occupants in adjoining rooms, such as children or neighbors. There is ammunition, such as hollow point, low velocity rounds which will fill that requirement. Also gun safety classes should be taken by all family members entrusted with a gun.