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  • guyinwoods guyinwoods Jan 13, 2012 12:21 PM Flag

    Learn the FACTS of Gov. Walker's Budget Repair Bill

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    • "Minnesota"
      When I got married my wife was teaching in a parochial school.
      It was a Catholic grade school. She taught 7th grade for a while & then 8th until she quit to raise our family.
      She had 1 student in particular that she had in 7th grade. That student did absolutely nothing. He sat in class and refused to participate in any function. He didn't do his homework, he failed his tests,,,
      My wife wanted to fail him, yet she couldn't. She had to get pemission from his mother (single parent) to do so and she wouldn't give it.
      The policy of the school was to give all students a 2nd chance.
      That student was promoted to the 8th grade.

      In the 8th grade it was a little better, but not enough to promote him to 9th grade, yet again the mother wouldn't give her permission to flunk him,
      He ended up joining the Army because he didn't have a High School diploma.

      So you are right about the teachers don't have the authority to deal with the students.

      As to the trouble makers.
      Here in town and I'm sure in other school systems, we have a school for trouble makers.
      At the public schools, if the teach has a problem with a student, that student gets shifted to that "other" school. They may stay there until the school system feels they can't do any more with them or they hit their 18th birtday or they straighten up. Which ever comes 1st.

      I have no idea what they do with trouble makers in the Parochial schools though.

    • Well said, MN, well said!

    • When I was in school, there wasn't a class I was in that didn't have less then 32 kids in it. Now it's around 22.

      Well, I NEVER had an assistant or a class size of 22. I think the main difference is in the attitude of students when they come to school. Many parents of stripped teachers of the position of authority in the classroom because they challenge EVERY move we make when it comes to grading and/or discplining the kids. Not EVERY parent, but more than not. All of the federal programs/policies and mandates also take up so much more of a teacher's time than in the past. Clearly 20% of your class have IEPs (individual education plans) for one problem or another, which requires modified lesson plans, special treatment and accommodation. I understand there are many "disabilities", but it really shouldn't be that difficult or too much to ask for a student to sit in his/her desk, TRY to pay attention and do their best without disrupting other students and the class, in general. Just like with the overall population, it only takes a small minority, usually less than 10% or, say 3 students, to create a less than ideal learning environment. Sad to say ... discipline is the main problem in today's schools!

    • "rdiets"
      Help us understand your post!!

      When I was in school, there wasn't a class I was in that didn't have less then 32 kids in it. Now it's around 22.
      When I was in school there wasn't anything called a "Teachers aid or teachers Assistent" Now there is.
      When I was in school, a teacher taught their class & also took on an extra curricular thing after school such as a sports team,the school news paper etc. Now there are people that are hired for those positions.

      As to "balancing the State Budget" ,, that one has me really confused.
      Is it because "they now have to" pay more toward their Health & Pension funds?? Something more inline to with the rest of us who have been doing it for years ????

      Please help us understand your post.

    • minnesota--Well said.

    • I bet most teachers work more hours and have a more stressful occupation than many of you gloating people that have not been asked to for any sacrifice to reduce the Wisconsin budget deficit.

      As a former teacher who would be all FOR Gov. Walker's program, I would say that yes, teaching can be stressful. But, many retire with near 100% benefits at 55-60. We also worked 8 months out of the year, even though during the year, I often worked 60 hours a week. My husband is self-employed, so I don't know if there is anything more stressful than that in bad economic times. Everybody else pays into their pension/healthcare...why do teachers and public employees think they shouldn't have to? It is an entitlement mindset perpetuated by the union leaders! You do realize that more teachers were kept employed than laid off under this plan, right? Some school districts were finally able to close their budget gaps? Back away from the kool-aid. These kinds of benefits are going to bankrupt the country sooner, rather than later. Also, as a union member, I was actually penalized for excelling because my hard work could NOT be compensated nor rewarded in a one pay fits all system. Many teachers close to retirement did not put in the time or effort that I did and it wears on morale, believe it or not. And, the union also limits WHO can teach. There are many self-employed, entrepreneurial types, semi-retired or even retired professionals who have a lot to offer, but are prohibited because they have not spent time in the Ivory Towers of the education programs at the gov't sponsored universities. We spend more per student than ever and our educational system and scores do not bear the fruit. The system is broken!!!

    • You're a deluded Kool Aid drinker. Maybe I'll ask a teacher during the Summer SINCE THEY HAVE SUMMER'S OFF. Or over their extended holiday breaks. Their bloated pensions and health care costs are strangling education. All of the money is going to them rather than into the classrooms. That's why Milwaukee has the porrest test scores in the nation. Teachers are overpaid, can't be fired and don't teach our kids. Is it too much to ask that they pay SOMETHING for their cadillac coverage or toward THEIR OWN pensions? They are able to retire early with overly generous lifelong pensions, on the taxpayers' dime, though, so I guess it's all good.

    • rd, I am not sure I follow your logic when you state that I should thank public workers for balancing the budget.

      Here is my logic--not saying I am correct just my way of defining the problem.

      All levels of government have grown to the point where the private tax payer can no longer afford to pay all the public workers. Notice, I did not say that public workers(teachers, police, fire, gov't etc) are paid too much. I just stated we can no longer afford all the workers. The liberal answer is to increase the tax of the private worker, corporations and the non working wealthy person(those that are retired or live of their investments)-- In other words, redistribute the wealth.
      However, even the NY Times states that even if you increased taxes on corp/individuals, the problem would not be solved.

      Now public workers tell me that they pay taxes. However, I remind them that they are just returning the money that either came from private tax payers or the Federal government printed/borrowed. Therefore, public workers do not create wealth.

      I just wish those of you who belong to a private union, would understand that when the teacher union says they support you, when the state/local government workers say they support you, understand it is because YOU pay their wages. If there were no private workers they would not have a job(that is unless the gov't turns on the printing press and goes in debt--wait that is what we are doing :(

      So, I find it amusing when you state that government workers are responsible for saving us all when they were and continue to be the problem. The number of people who rely on the government for their pay checks must decrease.

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