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  • hdale42 hdale42 Dec 17, 2009 1:26 PM Flag

    Jefferies just stuck a knife in ARNA!

    Their call & concerns along with high short interest will drive this to test yearly lows,imo. Basically it says Lorcaserin by itself won't work, that it needs to be tested with other drugs to get higher efficacy. I look for the $2.50 range soon,imo.

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    • I think it is hilarious myself. I made about $3 or 50% on my purchase of V and sold it for what it is still trading at $9.17 I see hype here, guys having to go to other boards, like you, right? Usually I have found this means hype is on and the price fully represents current prospects. Now here, it has a cap half of V with I think about twice the chance of being on the market first. V may not even get approved. The result then would be V dropping more than half.IMO While ARNA moves up multiples. We shall see, who laughs last. I mean I laugh now, V already gave me the returns on hype.imo
      Now for the big multiples, I will happily wait, and ignore the volatility here. It looks extremely good to me. And I invest on my dd. But keep up the good work for V, if it drops back, maybe I will buy it again, but not unless it drops way back. My bet: ARNA 12+ in 2010 and V under $7

    • Welcome aboard, and adding to my impression that risk/reward is getting recognized.

    • I sold my V investment a few days ago, as mentioned. Did ok, and do not like the risk/reward there after doing my own dd. I think it either gets held up or rejected going forward, but that is my opinion only, and of course I invest on my own analysis. What I see here, is some sort of desperation by some V investors, which also should be, at least to me, a warning as well. It appears more they want to make bucks on the hype and potential, so are trying to convince folks over here and elsewhere. I am not buying it. ARNA looks more promising and safer for a broad application, and sooner with the odds in their favor. IMO It does not get more basic to me: safer, earlier approval, broad appeal, and widely prescribed by Doctors who will try it first and not worry about side effects. Thus I stick here and see if I am correct. I have not seen a single solid argument that convinces me that the others will even get approved. Risk to me: very high for them.IMO

    • Jeffries will eat crow ultimately. As a physician who has reviewed the data regarding lorcaserin, the safety profile, and the ultimate almost unlimited potential this exciting new drug and novel chemical compound has as mono therapy, and ultimately as combination therapy, Jeffries will be proved wrong again.

    • Okay, Thomas Wei is basically showing a couple of things here.

      First, Wei is a bit naive about the dynamics of the market. Physicians want a stand-alone treatment that can be given over the longer term and that is very safe. Not every patient is to the extreme. Most overweight people can improve their health drastically by losing the type of weight loss seen in Arena's trials.

      Second, he states that he thinks lorcaserin will get approval...that is without a doubt a huge positive. Makes you wonder why he didn't put the target higher. I think it's fairly obvious that he is giving himself plenty of room to up the target price once the NDA is accepted and a partnership is announced.

      Third, his comments on combo therapy are a bit silly really. Combo treatments are notorious for running into trouble with the FDA. I am sure this will be the case for obesity agents. Wei needs to consider the case of Pozen before getting too exciting about combo therapies. Of course lorcaserin will be used in combo in some cases, but going for that label makes no sense. Arena is keeping it simple...simple is better when the FDA is worried about side effects way more than efficacy. We have enough efficacy, but we don't have nasty side effects...that's a great situation. If physicians want to prescribe it in combo once it's approved then it's on them. Initially, we need to be focused on getting to market as a single agent.

      Even if the label specifically stated that lorcaserin "has not been studied as a combination therapy and shouldn't be prescribed as such" it would still generate huge revenue in that so many people would use it as a stand-alone. And it would take only a little while before physicians started to use it in combo...not just when phentermine but also Welbutrin and Topamax even if they're not approved. mistake...I guess I just let the cat out of the bag. You don't need approval of topamax or Welbutrin in obesity to prescribe can already get them in similar doses as generics.

      My opinion is that lorcaserin is the only agent with proper data to support approval. The FDA can see exactly what it is and is not doing. That is what the FDA wants to see.

      Wei has very likely never worked in industry. I didn't highlight at all why Arena's composition of matter patents are so important and attractive. That makes me question his motives. It should make you question them also since they're so important. If he overlooked this, it should make you question his level of expertise. Is he an analyst with an MD and MBA or does he actually have some relevant industry experience?


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      • And who are U? U are an MD? Hold an MBA? PHD? He would not write this article if he was uneducated in this industry. He gets paid because he knows his business.

      • I agree completely. The point that to me stands out here, and for some time, is that we have what appears to be the only safe, stand alone product that works. You can argue about whether it matches the performance of others, but I would be far more nervous about them even getting approval, and thus subject to the potential of rejection and a complete crash in price. There is a big market for this. IMO And the risk is lower here, with approval more assured. It goes up with application, with approval and with sales.IMO Buy on weakness.imo

    • These analysts are bought and paid for...not one was correct with DNDN...(well, except Murphy...who is also bullish ARNA) 9 short hedge funds saw to the negative slant with DNDN...cheers mw

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