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  • normlasky normlasky Aug 5, 2009 7:49 AM Flag

    Commercial Real Estate

    Most of you probably heard on the news that rents and vacancies in the commercial real estate market have stabilized resulting in a nice move yesterday in most reits.

    For 2 yrs. analysts (Karen Finnerman in particular) have pounded bbt because of their exposure to other commercial real estate portfolio (makes up about 13% of total loans) even though most of it was incoming producing. This part of the portfolio has performed exceptional well.

    As a result, imo, bbt should be receiving upgrades in the near term. Net adc portfolio is now down to $6.1 billion and imo, most of the weak builders and developers have been flushed out so I look for marked improvement by end of 09. Also, I think bbt will be selling alot of adc reos in second half of 09 and 16% mark down being run through noninterest expense will be substantially less vs. last qtr.

    My prediction still is that bbt loan loss provision will swing to the other side of the pendulum in 2010 which will result in some wild changes in earnings.

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    • "even though most of it was incoming producing." Real estate becomes "commercial" when its income producing. Your observation doesn't make sense.

    • norm doesn't know what he is talking about -- he reads the news as his soul source of research, never once had he called any of the REIT properties and find out the story from the horse's mouth -- and to prove that my research will be correct, i have added on the highs of the REIT stocks today to the short position that i am building

      unless the consumer finds new sources of money, which they won't, then they are doomed, as well as the REITs

    • "Lol, falling back on attacking the messenger. A trick used by those who need to change the focal point of the exchange. Just Google commercial real estate and read 10 or 12 of the most current news items concerning rental and vacancy rates."

      SPG (simon properties) and other reits rallied hard a couple of days ago based on rents and occupancy data. I thought that news would carry over into commercial banks.

      That was the focal point of my message posted tuesday - spg earnings release with rent and occupancy data.

      Now you're changing the focal point - saying I googled info when in fact it was based on tuesday's events.

    • It sound to me like they're thrilled about their business:

      "Core business fundamentals were affected by the difficult economic environment during the first six months of 2009. Regional mall comparable sales per square foot, or psf, declined 10.5% during the first six months of 2009 to $442 psf from $494 psf for the same period in 2008. However, our regional mall average base rents increased 3.8% to $40.29 psf as of June 30, 2009, from $38.81 psf as of June 30, 2008 due to releasing of space at higher rents. We were able to lease available square feet at higher rents than the expiring rental rates in the regional mall portfolio resulting in a leasing spread of $6.27 psf as of June 30, 2009, representing a 17.0% increase over expiring rents. Regional mall occupancy was 90.9% as of June 30, 2009, as compared to 91.8% as of June 30, 2008 driven by higher bankruptcies and lease terminations."

      They are a particular animal with mostly regional malls (national branded companies). Even at that, a .8% decrease in occupancy is an increase probably around 1.5 million square feet of vacant space. Also they are showing average base rents which normally have some kind of built in yealy increases. They also indicate comparable sales per square foot declined 10% year over year. If they have additional rent based on sales which is not that uncommon, then increases in total rents could very well be less than increases in base rents.

      If you think these results are a ringing endorsement of stabilization in the general commercial real estate market then you might want to go to your local strip mall and tell them how great things are. I'm sure they would agree. Good luck.

    • unless the consumer finds new sources of money, which they won't, then they are doomed


      The housing ATM is gone. Credit cards are maxed out. The government will soon be totally tapped out unless they want the dollar to go to zero. Good luck on finding new sources of money.

    • I sold my BRE this morning. This was either my third or fourth round trip in this multi-residential REIT. Good luck.

    • Bernanke said they would cross that bridge when we get to it -- ok, so let's stand in front of the bridge now and ask what to do

      the dropping dollar may be their plan -- think about it -- what would that force as the their next move

      getting rather interesting, yeah? -- luckily, i have that answer too, but it won't work for them -- it's all false hope and promise that can't be delivered -- we're doomed -- but luckily, we can make money off those next moves, so short the next crash, especially REITs, then the market should finally bottom, and buy it -- also have in your portfolio the previous investments we have spoken of in prior postings

    • i still think the REITs still have a little more to go up -- and i will use that rally to get another scale in short on the REITs -- also see my new thoughts on the S&P 500 on other message thread

    • not to mention that increased rent doesn't make up for defaults on leases -- but some other people think that won't happen -- but i do

    • After a morning review of his string at Saratoga and a late lunch with Giselle, The Bucket fortunately has has time for us.

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