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  • jcbrowns jcbrowns Oct 22, 2012 7:04 PM Flag

    My Apologies to Everyone!

    I have been in and out of BB&T stock on numerous occasions since early 2009, believing this security represented one of the best values on Wall Street. I still believe this to be true if this company had a manager like John Stumph (WFC), Richard Davis (USB) or James Dimon (JPM). In my opinion, Kelly King is a prevaricating manipulating weasel whose quarterly earnings reports are inconsistent with information provided at earlier presentations and web-casts. I wish the best of luck to BB&T ( the Company) and all investors in this equity. I am happy to say that I won't be posting on this board in the future.

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    • I wouldn't do business with this bank. I was a stockholder for a little while and I've been a customer of this bank for 35 years. This bank has changed since their last buyout of a financial institution. This bank could care less about you as a customer. They don't care. They don't have any kind of special packages for long time customers. They will #$%$ anyway they can. I know they did it to me way before the financial crisis happened. And don't go thru no divorce with them. They will give you the big shaft very quickly. All this bank cares about is money. During the bailout, they got 7/8 million or billion dollars from the government, which they said they didn't need. But the government made them take it. They probably took that money and put it in an offshore acct and then doubled their money and brought it back into the bank and made the shareholders pay it back. They cut their dividends to their stockholders and made them pay it back. That is how they paid their bailout money back. Thank God I got out before hand by selling my shares I had. One last thing don't be even one day late on any type of loan or any account you have with them as far as a payment goes, because they will harass you right off the bat.

      • 1 Reply to cheyenne_1999_98
      • Your sentiments are correct, but your facts are a little off. Contrary to all its glossy advertising and strategic mission statements, BB&T is just another bank looking to make a spread. And not a very well run bank at that. They want your business up until the moment they dont want it...then it is lights out. Part of the problem here is their Credit Dept has a choke hold on the entire organization...and their credit culture is weak. For years they have trumpeted their great ability to underwrite credit and then we all found out they did not know anything about credit (unlike the rest of the banking univese, they refused to mark their NPAs correctly and take the pain at the outset, because they could not POSSIBLY admit they dont know how to lend money, and now, even years later, shareholders have to deal with death by a thousand cuts). This has ceased to be a bank built on client relationships the way it was 15+ years ago. Now you are no longer a customer of the bank and are no longer treated as such, you are just a borrower. Therre is a big difference.

    • No sense in name calling. In my opinion, Mr. King can start repairing some of his lost credibility by specifically addressing some important issues:

      1. Reos - Principal balance and carrying value by quarter and by loan segment. Since Lehman foreclosed property expense has been $2.1 billion. The vast majority has been due to much lower prices than projected when calculating final charge-offs. The $2.1 billion has been run through other income and expense. It is not part of the cumulative net charge-offs. Any graph of net charge-offs over time vs. competition is therefore, meaningless and is a misrepresentation of the truth. The 4th 2011 charge-off of $365 million was a whopper and frankly, I resent the comment made by Clark Starnes that "I'm pleased to report major reductions in reos for the quarter'. Let's call a spade - a spade and not dance around the issue. It also makes my blood boil when I saw the bonus paid to Clark Starnes when he was a primary architect of the adc mess.

      2. Normalized loan loss provision. Non accrual loans, tdrs, 30-89 day past due and 90 day or more past due are much better than 1 year ago and yet the loan loss provision is about the same as 1 year ago. In the most recent quarter net chargeoff excluding adc (which is down to almost zilch) equalled the provision or around 90 plus bsp. Why is BBT provision 3 times higher than MTB provision even though their current bad loans on a relative basis are about the same? Why is it 2 times higher than PNC, HBAN, STI (without putbacks) and many other very large regional banks?

      3. Net Interest Margin - Mr. Bible, CFO, has been forecasting that nim will drop to 3.75% for many quarters now. Through 2012 it's ranged between 3.94% to 4.09%. No question it's going to drop due to the accretion on Colonial. Each quarter BBT loses about $25 million in net interest income from Colonial runoff but according to Credit Suisse the Colonial covered loans will not go to 0 until 2015. Last quarter net interest income for Colonial was $175 million so maybe in the 4th quarter it will still amount to $150 million. Should this happen it will drop margins to around 3.88% with all other factors being equal. And yes, I understand refinancing of home mtg and the intense competitiveness of c&i is a drag on nim and $2 billion increase in mbs is a drag. But what about some positives going for the back? Specialized lending continues to grow a lot. Even though their gross margin has been in decline some, new loan growth in specialized lending is a big plus for net interest margin because of nearly double digit gross margins. How about CRE? It's coming back and margins have been improving. Why not buy some very high quality, solid margin loans made to American companies by European banks in need of cash?

      4. Covered Loan Net Interest Income and Fdic Reimbursement - Last quarter Income dropped and reimbursement increased. Why?

      5. Crump Insurance - BBT paid $576 million for Crump. The IRR is above 15% so it spins off $100 million annually of cash. Where is it by quarter?

      6. BBT Earnings Headline - Credit Suisse says BBT earned $.73 before one time charges - primarily acquisition. This is 2 cents above the average estimate. Yet the headline read BBT earns $.66 so most folks thought BBT missed the estimate by a nickel. In the future how about putting an objective spin on the HEADLINE. If the average estimate excludes one time charges make sure the headline is reported on the same basis. Mr. King said on a cnbc interview the stock tanked largely due to nim comment which Bible has been talking about about 2011 but it has simply not happened as abruptly as projected. I think it was also due to the HEADLINE - major screw-up.

      BBT has lost about $3 billion in market value in October. Shareholders paid Mr. King a $10 million bonus plus $1 million salary annually. We do not expect or accept our stock price tanking big due to self-inflicted wounds. Totally unacceptable.

      That's why I've reduced my position significantly and hedged much of it at $30 strike price.

      Investors need and expect answers.

      • 1 Reply to normlasky
      • "Why is BBT provision 3 times higher than MTB provision even though their current bad loans on a relative basis are about the same?"

        It should be no surprise by now Norm, we've been back-and-forth on BBTs backend loss strategy since what 2008? We'll this is what the backend looks like: a thousand small cuts driving disappointment in the Longs.

        The NPAs aren't marked correctly and BBT have to keep gradually writing them down like a melting glacier --more bleeding to go via provisions and forclosure expenses but the worst is behind them. MTB/WFC/USB etc all took the medicine up front -- King decided to a/mismark the NPAs then b/ look y'all straight in the eye and firmly say 'Our underwriting is good and the marks are correct.' c/ then keep gradually charging off and using forclosure expense and hope no-one notices.
        Funny how no other major bank seemed to have this issue with NPA valuations declining that BBT seems to keep falling back on to justify the continued gradual writedowns.

        You'll endup driving yourself insane torturing yourself comparing BBT to a high quality banks like MTB/WFC/USB. King just isn't that smart.

        "Investors need and expect answers."

        King has already given you his answer - Focus on the new magic-metric invented by BBT this Q 'Core-NIM'

        Q4 kitchen sink coming up. BBT love Q4 to shovel more bodies out the backdoor hoping no one will notice.


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