you have the power, you have the technology, you
have the encryption programs. It is time to organize
to prevent us from becoming wage slaves and watching
our standard of living erode as the upper 1/10 of 1%
get fatter and fatter at our expense. It is time we
took the power from the rich brats and got fair pay
for a good hour of work. Everything stops if we
organize and decide to go on strike: Everything. That is
the ultimate bargening Chip that organized labor will
realize in the 21st century. That is a bargening chip
never before seen in the history of the world and it
will happen sooner or later. It is only a matter of
In the 1950's it took only one wage earner to
support a family and been middle class. We now work like
dogs, both parents struggling to survive for what. The
standard of living of the American worker has gone to
shit. Both Husband and Wife have to work for a living
where 35 years ago only one did. The bottom line is the
youth of America have it hard not because of the media,
but because the owners of the Corporations of the
United States Demand that both parents work to maintain
the standard of living that in the past took only one
parent. Thats a fact. If wages kept up with inflation
from the 50's the average salary of a head of
household would be 100-150,000 dollars across every
household in America. The wealth has increased with
inflation since the 50's except the distribution in the
United States has decreased. Only the Programmers and
Technical workers have the Ultimate Bargening Chip to stop
everything. We must unite and we now have the ability to
communicate with each other in a way that cannot be broken.
The encryption programs have given the ultimate power
of free communication to the average workers of the
United States and the Internet is the means by which we
can organize! It is time to form our own union and
kick a little financial butt!
The owners of the
large corporations will fight us tooth and nail but
eventually they will loose. We are smarter and we control
the technolgy because we are smarter.
years of country club inbreeding has made your average
venture capitalist stupid like the purebred dogs they
keep that piss on themselves when a car alarm goes
Welcome to the begining of the 21 century and
I grew up in 40s & 50s and I really believe the
difference today is GREED. I was typical middle class. One
bath, one car, one TV, little/no fast food etc. Today
starter home has 2 1/2 baths, two sports cars, designer
clothes, reservations. There's your difference. Let's
organize, destroy inititive and become socialists.
USMC: I readed several postes from you and you
use the word "Socialists" when there are concepts
that you may not agreed with. I would like to ask you
what do you know about SOCIALISTS? Also I'm too young
to know about McCathist(?) can you also tell me
about that too?
I will tell you couple of
First: GREED one main human characteristic
driving free market in a capitalist society. Socialists
concept try to eliminate the GREEDY human characteristic
and that is one of the cause for their failure IMHO.
Second: Socialist Goverment do not allow anyone to
organize any group except for their own party! so tell me
how do you link union organize and with Socialist?
BTW, the way Mr Gerstner conduct his business toward
IBM employees is similar to the way China Goverment
control their peoples....This just my observation....
As a proud IBMer, and seeing what "unions" have
done to America (wrecked the US Automotive advantage
in the 1970's, wrecked US Steel in 1983, wrecked
many mass transit operations across the USA including
MUNI in SF, wrecked ten of the largest and oldest
FAMILY owned construction companies in the US in
IBM does not need a Union. IBM programmers are some
of the highest paid in the industry, and besides,
growing up in Socialist/Communist Poland I would never
want to live in such fear ever again.
Americans, how can you want socialism, it is a thug form of
power. You who have nevered lived it have no idea.
Both breweries may spend the same amount over all
on wages but the non-union would spread it by merit
while the union would pay all the incompetents and
lazies the same. I remember, when U.S. just started
losing auto business to Japan, over hearing union
members laughing about enclosing a beer can inside a door
assembly - "wait'll they hear that. They'll never figure
USMC, I vote against all proposals that the BoD
submit, and I also vote for those that are submitted by
shareholders, that make sense. The problem is that as
individual shareholders, our voices are lost to the roar of
the investment community that almost always votes
with the BoD. Unfortunately, Kiki is right, a union is
the best way for workers to have a voice in what
happens to their compensation.
P.S. Did you vote for
Jimmy Lea's proposal on last years shareholder ballot?
Thank you, if the answer is yes.
I don't understand how you feel that a union is
the way to go and that it will help decide what
happens to compensation. Do you watch other unions? They
seem to think that a 9% increase spread across a 5
year contract is "good". Pardon me for disagreeing...
But 9% over 5 years SUCKS!
You are still confusing the old unions with
today's unions. Today, that 9% over 5 years is a minimum
wage increase. Almost all contracts allow for merit
increases ontop of the contracted increase. The big thing
is that the parts that the employee cannot effect
(benifits) are protected by contract.
Jetskiman, USMC: Personally I'm not even sure if
I like to work in a union environment. However,
from your post you seem to believe Union is may not be
the solution for the "sins", as USMC put it, that I
lay out in my earlier post. However I did not see
anyone address any alternative solution to address the
issue. After all, most of us want to see IBM name
continue to be the leader beyond our time.
issues some thoughts and we will revisit and discuss all
When was the last time you voted against any
member of the board of directors?
allow you to vote against members of the board of
directors. Check your proxy when they get it this year. You
can vote FOR the board of directors, or you can
abstain. Voting against is not an allowed option.
As stockholders we have control of bonuses and
compensation for executives.
Don't kid yourself.
Stockholder control of bonuses and compensation for
executives at best. Check out the correspondence currently
going on between IBM and the SEC relative to our latest
stock holder proposal at
www.allianceibm.org/SECresprel.htm and you'll see that IBM is clearly not interested
in letting shareholders know that executive bonuses
are currently partially based on their ability to
hoard the pension fund. And they certainly aren't
interested in giving them a voice in changing it!
could help make a difference, though. Write to the SEC
and tell them stockholders need a voice in these
Ok, my opinion....
The industry is short
of skilled hard working people (there are plenty
available of people who can fog a mirror). The key to to
compensate the best employees at a level that will retain
them and to also compensate the lowest employees at a
level that will either make them improve or
With that said, IBM needs to stick with, and even
expand on their pay for performance system. They need to
immediately stop the buyout programs that incent the top
performers to leave and the lower performers to stay behind.
They need to put more pressure on the lower tier
performers to improve or leave the business.