you have the power, you have the technology, you
have the encryption programs. It is time to organize
to prevent us from becoming wage slaves and watching
our standard of living erode as the upper 1/10 of 1%
get fatter and fatter at our expense. It is time we
took the power from the rich brats and got fair pay
for a good hour of work. Everything stops if we
organize and decide to go on strike: Everything. That is
the ultimate bargening Chip that organized labor will
realize in the 21st century. That is a bargening chip
never before seen in the history of the world and it
will happen sooner or later. It is only a matter of
In the 1950's it took only one wage earner to
support a family and been middle class. We now work like
dogs, both parents struggling to survive for what. The
standard of living of the American worker has gone to
shit. Both Husband and Wife have to work for a living
where 35 years ago only one did. The bottom line is the
youth of America have it hard not because of the media,
but because the owners of the Corporations of the
United States Demand that both parents work to maintain
the standard of living that in the past took only one
parent. Thats a fact. If wages kept up with inflation
from the 50's the average salary of a head of
household would be 100-150,000 dollars across every
household in America. The wealth has increased with
inflation since the 50's except the distribution in the
United States has decreased. Only the Programmers and
Technical workers have the Ultimate Bargening Chip to stop
everything. We must unite and we now have the ability to
communicate with each other in a way that cannot be broken.
The encryption programs have given the ultimate power
of free communication to the average workers of the
United States and the Internet is the means by which we
can organize! It is time to form our own union and
kick a little financial butt!
The owners of the
large corporations will fight us tooth and nail but
eventually they will loose. We are smarter and we control
the technolgy because we are smarter.
years of country club inbreeding has made your average
venture capitalist stupid like the purebred dogs they
keep that piss on themselves when a car alarm goes
Welcome to the begining of the 21 century and
> Is it really "illegal" to work until 3am in France? That seems strange.
It is illegal IIRC,
1- for a woman to work alone after 10pm,
2- for a person to work more than 50 hrs [I think], during a week
3- for anyone to work after midnight without prior
permission from a Govt works organisation
The logic of the govt being that laws were put in place
to encourage hiring [France has abt 10% unemployment]
and any ignoring of these laws is counter-productive to
the governments employment politics.
A company can get around it by
- fixing "heavy" objectives,
- giving workers laptops so they can work from home [no control possible],
- year end assessments ...
Webtoo_2000: "I know what I speak about when I
say Unions are corrupt"
When you talk about
Unions corruption, I can understand, just like some
executives, how do you address executive corruption to keep
Still using the craft union tactics, the IBM
union is not based on the craft model. Why are all the
IT companies demanding more and more H1B via workers
and not the "down sized" US experts. OSHA needs to
look into the safty of the employees better then they
do now, maybe there would not be as many lawsuits.
Yeah right... and that's why at my last
"International" company - the key programmers were based in the
US and sent in as Expats to do the real work... Some
"unions" in other countries also can not be equated to the
corrupt practices of most US Unions.
(BTW - I am a
child of a Union Family - Would never work for one now
- though they had their place in the days before
Govt. groups like OSHA were formed to protect the
safety of the employees, etc... I know what I speak
about when I say Unions are corrupt).
The day a Union wins a shop - is the day
employees lose... It just takes them a long time to admit
For those programmers that maitain their skills (ie.
get educated on new tools, etc...) they can pretty
much negotiate their salaries with the demand in the
market. If not salary - then other benefits. I used to
work for a company (that I liked), but that used the
Hayes pay scale in non-Union states, and Union Pay
scale in union states - the day I left the company, my
salary doubled. The next year - doubled again, the
following it tripled. That was because I had been trained
in some of the latest and greatest programming
languages of the times - and with the Hayes (or any other
pay scale) - the percentage increases were simply way
to low (ie. Cost of Living plus small %). Merit pay
was typically a percentage of salary (usually 5 - 15%
to accomodate some uniqueness)... But even the
highest paid programmers were not making close to what
the market is paying. Needless to say - that company
changed it's pay practices in the non-Union States to
match the market as they were losing their developers
(then of course all of the programmers in the company
requested that they go to those States where they could
make the $$)
Technically.... Contrary to it's name, IBM is
*NOT* an "International" company. It's a
"Multi-National" company. Each country has a unique IBM company
that stands on it's own. Each "IBM company" handles
business within it's own borders and each "IBM company"
pretty much treats other "IBM companies" as
subcontractors on international engagements.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. IBM not
organized in Canada or Japan. The other countries you
mentioned require organization by law. Go back to your
pension forum page. This is a business/financial bulletin
board. Take thegoldenowl and kikimyboy with you!
You have made some excellent points! Top
performers with in-demand skills would be highly penalized
by a union. This nonsense about unions having "merit
pay" is just that, nonsense. It amounts to a couple of
I also noticed that on the
"Alliance" Web site they claim that union wages for the same
skills will be 30% higher. Yeah, rite! Tell that to our
non-union brewey who pays wages/benefits that are higher
than the union brewery up the road.
It's not a
perfect world... But I'd rather trust my pension to Lou
Gerstner than to Jimmy Hoffa's bunch.
I only post from home too... and I would fight
any union... but that doesn't make me a paid union
buster. Just someone who would never work for one.
Besides - what Union is there to bust? Which State -
because many are right to work. Not to mention other
countries... I've seen groups try to Unionize programmers
before - they are usually laughed right out of the
building. No programmer will give up their right to
negotiate high income jobs for the more rare talents they
have by switching to a set union scale... LOL!