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  • moses_on_wall_street moses_on_wall_street Apr 20, 2007 9:34 AM Flag

    Gun Grabbers Take Notice ther+in+custody&articleId=858db55b-f7c2-4dd2-ba58-5f99976fee2b

    Gunfight at bar leaves one wounded, another in custody

    New Hampshire Union Leader Staff
    Sunday, Apr. 15, 2007

    MANCHESTER: Bullets flew outside the Uptown Tavern early yesterday when a peeved patron began shooting at a doorman after being thrown out of the club. The shooter himself was shot twice by an armed customer who rushed to the bouncer's defense, a club owner and police said.


    Remember: New Hampshire has about the least gun control in the country. No permission need for open carry except in courts (as far as I know), and concealed weapons permits are issued automatically upon request and payment of a $15 fee. New Hampshire is the safest state in America.

    What might have happened had an armed customer not rushed to the bouncer's defense? Hmmm?

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    • War and the Police State: Complicity of the American People

      by Donna J. Thorne

      Global Research, April 21, 2007

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      "We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth�. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not..? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know.. it � now." Patrick Henry, 1775.

      In this era of perpetual warfare, escalating domestic tyranny, government-sanctioned torture, and a Nazi-like pursuit of Middle-East domination, one would expect, at the very least, an audible outcry from the People who proclaim resolute devotion to the ideals of liberty and justice for all. Yet for the most part, Mainstream America continues to assume a posture of apathy, bitterness, or eery silence.

      When confronted with hard facts and scientific evidence linking key government officials to the attacks of 9/11, ostensibly intelligent, levelheaded people angrily and defiantly reject said information without a moment's deliberation. Sincerely compassionate and peace-loving individuals support the criminal invasion of Iraq and close their eyes to the U.S. slaughter of 600,000 Iraqi civilians, choosing instead to believe in the myth of American supremacy, at the heart of which lies the notion that foreigners alone are capable of such atrocities.

      And now, in the aftermath of 9/11 and the subsequent establishment of Homeland Security, previously rigid supporters of civil rights quietly tolerate the piecemeal deconstruction of the U.S. Constitution under the pretext of protection, and to their own peril, disregard increasingly strident warnings and signs of a growing and imminent police state. Clearly, Mainstream America has surrendered to the subjugation of a power-crazed, despotic administration whose control continues to expand exponentially with each passing rumor of imminent peril .

      Why,when confronted with a black-and-white record of autocratic offenses, are so many sensible Americans ignoring and even endorsing the current administration as it openly paves a tyrannical road to hell? Are we so deluded by rhetoric and weapons-grade propaganda, that we are no longer able to distinguish truth from fiction, thereby allowing, if not abetting our own enslavement ?

      Inarguably, a collective set of circumstances exist to explain the acquiescence of the American People. What follows is the first in a series of explorations by which this writer will attempt to identify possible core factors contributing to the scourge of apathy in American society today.

      Fear, the Nemesis of Rationality

    • Cops seldom prevent anything from happening and are only generally around to deal with the aftermath.

    • They are called Panic Rooms into which the occupants of the UNARMED household can flee and hide while the ARMED thieves can take what they want.

      Of course, those that lack this can choose a cricket bat to defend themselves, their families, and their property from those that would do them harm or take their possessions. They are now looking to add the harsh penalties to sword possession as well.

      The problem with your thinking is that criminals will always find ways to get guns. The laws that you favor only serve to disarm the peaceful citizens leaving them as unprotected sheep to be fleeced or butchered.

      Lastly, an armed and informed populace can be a free one. Neither operative 'armed' or 'informed' can function independently; they must be invoked together. That was the thinking of the Founders.

      "Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

      "... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

      Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950)

      "If we wish to be free, if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending, if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained _ we must fight!" Patrick Henry

      "(T)he foundation of our national policy will be laid in the pure and immutable principles of private morality; ...the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained..." George Washington, First Inaugural, April 30 1789

      "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams

      "Political interest [can] never be separated in the long run from moral right"

      "Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God? Thomas Jefferson

      "The citizens of the U.S. are responsible for the greatest trust ever confided to a political society"

      "We base all our experiments on the capacity of mankind for self-government." James Madison

      "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." Thomas Jefferson

      "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

    • Your men wear skirts and eat snails.

    • <I'm impressed. >

      Not surprising.

    • That was the French, not you.

    • <We don't get ruffled easily.>
      we noticed your skirts.

    • So you said no to a guy who didn't give a damn 200 years ago. I'm impressed.

    • We don't get ruffled easily. You can't let fear, deliberately fostered in the USA, cripple either your mind or way of life. Too many Americans reduced to cringing curs.

    • Nope, It's that same manhood that made us tell the king a couple hundred years ago to kiss our asses.

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