Let me give an example of how stupid they are. When they bought Solaicx who did they hire to run the Solaicx plant in Portland? A guy who's previous experience was operating Car Washes.....WTF !! Solaicx Portland was a high tech Continuous Czochralski crystal growing furnace. And they hire a car washer. Ba ha ha ha ha ha. They eventually replaced him with another idiot from there 'good ol boys' network within MEMC.