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carsonogenik 112 posts  |  Last Activity: Jul 10, 2016 4:30 AM Member since: Dec 30, 2001
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  • carsonogenik carsonogenik May 31, 2016 6:01 PM Flag

    "There will be no finding that Clinton broke any federal laws in using her private server."

    She knowingly broke protocol -not only by using a private server, but a server physically housed on her private property- to avoid being subject to FOIA rules (federal law) and associated government oversight. Also because she's tremendously arrogant.

    "Any other time, this would render the issue of Clinton’s emails a non-issue. However, this isn’t any other time. What Clinton did or didn’t do with her emails and what she knew or didn’t know about their use, was never the issue. The issue is Clinton in the White House. The GOP attack line is that Clinton is shady, untrustworthy and, less charitably, a serial liar. This has been ramped up just enough by the State Department inspector general, finger pointing at Clinton for being sloppy and careless in the use of her emails and not telling the truth about it. This is fed by a media that salivates at the mere hint of any Clinton scandal."

    Clinton always intended to run for POTUS and I agree with the general GOP attack line that Clinton is dishonest. What's worse is that she's intelligent enough to have thought through the ramifications of all her decisions but proceeded regardless.

    1) As a US Senator she supported Bush's stupid and illegal invasion of Iraq (a decision she later claimed to have regretted)
    2) As Obama's SoS, she advocated US military intervention in Libya...indicating she didn't learn anything from Bush's Iraq misadventures
    3) Whether Clinton had any direct role in the security lapses that resulted in the Benghazi attack has been asked answered with a resounding 'No.' That said, anyone with an ounce of sense would not attempt to establish a US embassy in Libya in 2012 without HUGE military support.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jun 21, 2016 5:03 PM Flag

    I must regretfully decline; my most recent lipid panel indicates high triglyceride levels (221 mg/dL) so I won't be going anywhere near a steakhouse in the near term.

    As I will not be in attendance, I request that in the interests of maintaining a truly entertaining and insightful reception of this board's alumni that you please forward your invitation to Mr Barry E Schwartz.

    Los mejores deseos,


  • Reply to

    There are approx.145,000,000 Americans over age 40...

    by tpg1 May 19, 2016 9:10 AM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik May 20, 2016 5:12 PM Flag

    "It seems conservative Christians believe they are being persecuted when their lifestyle and beliefs are not written into law."

    Of course - such people have been lobbying for a Christian theocracy since time out of mind. I would not, however, refer to them as 'conservative;' 'Authoritarian' is more accurate.

    "The bathroom bills are addressing a problem that has never existed."

    Similar to voter ID laws: ostensibly meant to prevent voter fraud (a non-issue by any measure), but in practical terms it amounts to a kind of poll tax levied...against the poor, of course. I'm so old I remember when liberal democracy provided sufficient cause for war...

    "Instead of trying to force their lifestyle down this country's throat, conservative Christian's should lead by example. If your lifestyle resonates with someone, they'll follow. Jesus didn't force his message down people's throat.(might surprise you, but I do believe in God, not man made religions)"

    I seriously doubt today's authoritarian Christians either know or care enough about Jesus to follow his example; you may refer to the hostility defining the reaction among so many Christians to Pope Francis (how much more Christian can you get than the Pope?).

    A purely mechanistic/materialistic worldview makes more sense to me than invoking supernatural forces . Some aspects of Eastern religions, notably Buddhism (and to some extent, Taoism) provide degrees of both comfort and meaning. Also, certain among druidic and/or animist beliefs are not without appeal - IMO.

    Organized (man-made) religions OTOH I assess as mostly a corruptive and destructive influence on the body politic. Such have always been employed as a social control to maintain government power and to keep the citizenry in line. History is rife with examples, although one of the best accounts is IF Stone's 'Trial of Socrates' (in which Socrates is indicted & convicted of 'impiety' and subsequently sentenced to an Athenian jury. 399 BCE)

  • Yes, he was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Yes, he was a proud African American black man...and a proud Muslim
    ...but more than that, he was a champion.

    Ali beat the same small-minded racists in the 1960s and 70s who only now, after his death, grudgingly admit that he was a great man.

    Up next: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, another champion (Muslim, black, master of the sky hook and observed student of Bruce Lee's Jeet Kun Do style) has his own health problems.

  • The Republican Party’s image, already quite negative, has slipped since last fall. Currently 33% of the public has a favorable impression of the Republican Party, while 62% have an unfavorable view. Unfavorable opinions of the GOP are now as high as at any point since 1992.

    In October, 37% viewed the Republican Party favorably and 58% viewed it unfavorably. The decline in favorability since then has largely come among Republicans themselves: In the current survey, 68% of Republicans view their party positively, down from 79% last fall.

    By contrast, public views of the Democratic Party are unchanged since October. Currently, 45% of the public has a favorable impression of the Democratic Party, while 50% have an unfavorable opinion.

    Looks like HRC will begin her first term with a Dem-controlled Senate.

  • The new filing shows the campaign had only $1.3 million in cash on hand at the beginning of this month, in comparison to $42 million on hand for the Clinton campaign.


    In a speech on the economy on Tuesday, Hillary Clinton called out Donald Trump for not releasing his tax returns and wondered out loud what he is trying to hide.

    "You have to ask yourself, what's he afraid of?" she asked, musing that he may have avoided paying taxes. "Or maybe he isn't as rich as he claims."

    Clinton's speech comes the day after new FEC filings showed Trump's campaign with a paltry amount of cash on hand for a major party presidential campaign and Trump being forced to loan his campaign $2 million to keep it afloat.

    Clinton also warned that a Trump presidency would hurt the economy, noting that economists say the presumptive Republican presidential nominee would "would throw us back into recession."

    "Just like he shouldn’t have his finger on the button, he shouldn’t have his hands on the economy," Clinton said, comparing Trump's danger to national security to his potential impact on the economy.

    Clinton bashed Trump's businesses practices, noting that he has filed for bankruptcy several times.

    "He's written a lot of books about business. They all seem to end at Chapter 11," she said.

    Gonna be a LOLOCAUST

  • Reply to

    Another Reddnexx Contard Child Molester

    by debka_file May 10, 2016 5:40 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik May 10, 2016 5:53 PM Flag

    Looks like former GOP House Speaker Dennis "Showers & Hugs" Hastert will have some company in the...pokey.

  • carsonogenik by carsonogenik May 10, 2016 4:19 PM Flag

    Ben Carson No Longer Helping Pick Trump's Running Mate

    Dr. Ben Carson is no longer part of the effort to vet candidates to be presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump's running mate.

    Carson's business manager, Armstrong Williams, first told The Daily Beast on Tuesday that Carson was just one of a number of people recommending potential vice presidential candidates to Trump. The Washington Post reported earlier Tuesday that Trump's top aide, Corey Lewandowski, would be leading the search.

    Williams confirmed to TPM in a phone interview that Carson completed his tasks by sending Trump his recommendations.

    "He asked for his recommendations, he made them and now it's time to move on," Williams said, adding that it was now up to Lewandowski to "start the tough work" of vetting the candidates.

    Ben Carson, you're fired!

    I couldn't blame Trump: Crazy Dr. Ben's list probably included Jesus, Ronald Reagan & a couple of pharaohs.

  • Reply to

    Politics on message board

    by kenwood031888 May 25, 2016 12:33 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik May 27, 2016 8:32 PM Flag

    "If I wanted political commentary, I wouldn't be on a stock message board!"

    Few topics are more political than mass-marketing tobacco. When I first joined this board in Jan/Feb 2000*, discussion threads were more or less evenly split between MO performance (55%), political commentary (40%) and 5% ad hominem...when it was mostly individual MO investors engaging in anti-Clinton circle jerks & denying the dangers of smoking despite the addictive and lethal nature of its product.

    Current discussion threads seem to be 85% politics, 2% MO performance and 13% ad hominem.

    *Pre-splitting MO: In the fall of 2003, Philip Morris USA moved its headquarters from New York City to Richmond, Virginia and renamed itself 'Altria Group.'. On March 30, 2007, the remaining 88.9% stake in Kraft Foods was spun off to share holders. Philip Morris International was split from Philip Morris USA in March 2008.

  • No, I'm not kidding.

    "On CNBC this morning Trump suggested that one strategy he'll use for reducing the national debt is having bond holders accept "haircuts". To be clear what that means, he'll try to get people who own US Treasury bonds and are owned X to accept X/2, or some reduced amount of what they are owed.

    "That's called defaulting on a debt obligation.

    "In other words, he wants to put the US through something like bankruptcy. Now, to be clear, in the world of business this is not at all uncommon. In a bankruptcy proceeding almost everyone takes a haircut. Many lose everything. You were owed $7 million and you have to accept $2 million. It often happens in simple business negotiations too. Things aren't going great. Debt has to be restructured to help the company survive. A creditor thinks they might lose everything so they'll accept 50 cents on the dollar.

    "So all good, except the United States is not a struggling casino. It's a sovereign nation with sovereign debt.

    "It is not too much to say that centuries of American prosperity have been undergirded by the "full faith and credit of the United States." In other words, the US always pays its debts in full and on time. Indeed, it's black letter text in the US constitution that the country's debt can never even be questioned. Defaulting on the national debt would clearly be unconstitutional."

    On September 3, 1783, a war officially ended and the United States was recognized by the British as a member of the community of sovereign nations. In all the 234 years since then, the US has never, ever, defaulted on its debt obligations. That’s why the American dollar IS the gold standard. And what no one wants to talk about is that if this gets interrupted, every single pension, investment, and what not wholly owned by an American is essentially worthless.

    Trump is an ignoramus - but his solution demonstrates the inherent flaws in trying to run the US government as a business.

  • ...but less popular than lice, jury duty, root canals, and Nickelback.

    Via Public Policy Polling (PPP)
    May 10, 2016

    "Much has been made of Trump's unpopularity over the course of this campaign and certainly we find that to be the case too- only 34% of voters have a favorable opinion of him to 61% who have an unfavorable one. But we decided to take it a step further in finding out just how much people dislike Trump, by matching him in a series of heads to heads with things such as root canals, cockroaches, and even hipsters to see who voters had a higher opinion of. Here's how it stacked up:

    Q: Do you have a higher opinion of Donald Trump or --


    Trump, 45/39 (+6)


    Trump, 46/42 (+4)


    Nickelback, 39/34 (-5)

    Used Car Salesmen

    Used Car Salesmen, 47/41 (-6)

    Traffic Jams

    Traffic Jams, 47/40 (-7)


    Hipsters, 45/38 (-7)


    DMV, 50/40 (-10)

    Root Canals

    Root Canals, 49/38 (-11)

    Jury Duty

    Jury Duty, 57/35 (-22)


    Lice, 54/28 (-26)

    Interesting that this poll indicates Clinton leads Trump by only 42-38, a mere 4 basis points.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik May 27, 2016 7:41 PM Flag

    A Trump v Sanders debate at this stage would be a terrible idea, as both will spend far too much time ripping on Clinton (and Obama) instead of each other.

    Sanders supporters (including myself) need to realize that barring some jarring new info, Clinton is going to become the Dem nominee. Unless Sanders wins California by some tremendous margin, he should drop out and afford Clinton his complete and unconditional endorsement. So far as I'm concerned, his candidacy already has been an overwhelming success.

    Sanders and his supporters can complain about the Dem primaries being rigged all day long....but the fact of the matter is that Clinton currently has a 2.9 million popular vote lead over Sanders.

  • Reply to

    re Sarah Palin

    by carsonogenik Jun 15, 2016 8:00 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jun 15, 2016 9:13 PM Flag

    "I think Sarah Palin is solid on the issues and that Obama and Hill are far Left which is very very bad. Obama is strangely anti-American and pro Islamic radical. Sarah Palin did not pave the way for the Iranian Islamo-Nazis to obtain nuclear weapons. Obama did that."

    To deconstruct:
    "I think Sarah Palin is solid on the issues"
    -you do not think at all; you merely react in accord with your simple tribalist identifiers
    -Palin has repeatedly demonstrated solid and unforced errors on any/every current issue; its as if she was marooned on a desert isle with Gilligan translating for a Hollywood sexpot on behalf of the Howells

    "Obama and Hill are far Left which is very very bad"
    -Both Obama and Clinton are easily defined as moderates; Obama is a kind of FDR wannabe, and Clinton is a kind of JFK wannabe. Neither of them remotely far left.
    -Define what you mean by 'far left.'

    "Sarah Palin did not pave the way for the Iranian Islamo-Nazis to obtain nuclear weapons. Obama did that."
    -Sarah Palin has been and will always be a national embarrassment.
    -The Obama/Kerry deal with Iran strictly prohibits Iran from developing nuclear weapons, and subjects Iran's reactors to constant examination.


  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jul 9, 2016 7:23 PM Flag

    Every single SoS from Alexander Haig (1981) thru John Kerry (2013-current) has utilized a private email server in direct violation of security protocols. Significantly, former SoS's Powell and Rice have admitted this.

    The GW Bush Administration...conveniently...lost over 4 million emails that would have shown direct complicity between the various efforts of Republican-appointed US attorneys to pursue charges of corruption against elected Democrats.

    Hillary Clinton's problem is purely ethical and amounts to an arrogant rejection of legal & government oversight protocols: she physically housed her private server on her private land in order to avoid gov't oversight (FOIA) and then possibly deleted some emails.

    That said, there are two reasons why Clinton and her aides won’t be prosecuted for lying to Congress, and both are precedent: James Clapper and Scott Bloch.
    Clapper obviously lied to Congress under direct testimony (he refused to be sworn in and no rebuttal witnesses, so he can't be prosecuted)
    Former fed prosecutor Bloch (R-wiped his hard drive) not only perjured himself under direct Congressional inquiry but the DOJ and federal courts have essentially asserted that lying to Congress is not a crime.

  • Reply to

    She'll #$%$-Foot

    by financekid299 Jul 1, 2016 5:47 AM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jul 1, 2016 6:19 AM Flag

    Really?? 8 years of POTUS George W. Bush "real man/tough guy" dumbness? Hmm and who was it that got rid of Osama bin Laden???

    Hmm well there's always St Reaganus of Alzheimer's, a B movie cowboy actor "man" so tough that he supported Islamic lunatics in the middle east and right wing nutjobs in central America because aarrghhh Soviet creepdom.

    A "man" like Donald (J for Jerkwad) Trump, who couldn't find Yemen with a fleshlight and a map?? Please proceed.

  • carsonogenik by carsonogenik May 24, 2016 10:22 PM Flag

    What exactly does your nick/alias mean?

    "A contrarian is a person who takes up a contrary position, especially a position that is opposed to that of the majority, regardless of how unpopular it may be. Contrarian styles of argument and disagreement have historically been associated with radicalism and dissent."


    Hmmm...Paul Krugman, Nobel economist and columnist for The New York Times, has criticised "contrarianism without consequences" in relation to the debate over global warming and the controversy over the book 'Superfreakonomics', saying, "The refusal of the Superfreakonomists to take responsibility for their failed attempt to be cleverly contrarian on climate change is a sad spectacle to watch ... having paraded their daring contrarianism, the freakonomists are trying to wiggle out of the consequences when it turns out that they were wrong."

    In which Krugman is essentially referring to some kind of moral a misguided effort to assign responsibility to right wing tribes that accept torture.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jun 15, 2016 3:02 PM Flag

    Turns out the gay-hating gun nut actually was a registered 2006.

    "What We Know About Omar Mateen, Suspected Orlando Nightclub Shooter."
    ABC News, 6/12/2016

    "Orlando Pulse Club Attack: Gunman Identified As Police Investigate Motive."
    The Guardian, 6/12/2006

    "Co-worker: Omar Mateen Homophobic, 'Unhinged.'"
    Florida Today, 6/12/2006

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik May 15, 2016 3:03 PM Flag

    Trump is an epic narcissist; Ryan is a sociopath.

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    by pilodialcyst Jul 1, 2016 11:39 AM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jul 1, 2016 6:35 PM Flag

    Trump's basic problem is that a #$%$ albino gerbil has a better chance of basically ANYTHING.

  • Reply to

    Why Trump will win in a landslide

    by brokeoldjoo May 20, 2016 8:57 AM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik May 20, 2016 3:29 PM Flag


    "Trump is like a raffish buccaneer, leaping about the rigging like the breezy Douglas Fairbanks or Errol Flynn"

    n. robber
    see also: pirate, corsair, freebooter, rover, spoiler, rifler
    related: maurauder, pillager, raider, bandit, looter, plunderer, ravager, thief

    "Hillary is the stiff, sequestered admiral of a bullion-laden armada of Spanish galleons, a low-in-the-water easy mark as they creak and sway amid the rolling swells"

    i'd rather live in a country where the head of state is an admiral instead of a pirate. But maybe that's just me.

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