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entertainmentinvestlng 8 posts  |  Last Activity: Jul 7, 2016 8:24 AM Member since: May 13, 2005
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  • any of these factors can drive this stock to $90+ range in short term

  • Bottom line, VRX is getting undervalued by "holding company discount". There is no reason for VRX to put them under one umbrella. Bausch + Lomb is a multi billion dollar company by itself.

    New CEO/board of directors/Ackman should consider spinning off B + L as a separate entity like how ABT did it with AbbVie - their combined market cap went up 50%+ just because of spin off.

  • Twitter is the target for major marketing companies to buy out. Twitter carries the fastest impact on social media.

    If it is not a marketing company, it may be a private equity to take over.

  • entertainmentinvestlng by entertainmentinvestlng Jun 7, 2016 10:01 PM Flag

    simple and rough calculation - VRX generated about $400M in cash flow.

    Balance Sheets:

    - cash balance up $700M
    - current debt down $150M
    - accured liab down $500M
    - LT debt up up $1B

    Cash Flow:
    - CFO up $558M
    - CFI down $112M

    This quarter was somewhat less than last year but it definitely performed well given the tough environment. Remaining quarters should be in line or above the new guidance which it should generate another $1.3-$1.5B.

    Given the fact that the company pays about 4% annual interest in debts, I expect to see company building up cash position throughout the year.

    As Ackman and new management/boards are exploring to divestiture non-core assets, Year-end cash balance may be as high as $4.0-$5.0B range.

  • entertainmentinvestlng by entertainmentinvestlng Jun 7, 2016 8:22 AM Flag

    And what's the stock price? it should have been $80 - $120 using similar multiple to industry average.

    Also, $660M of depreciation and amortization is "non-cash" item based on GAAP, i.e. EBITDA is much higher than EPS projection. Is VRX making any additional acquisition? Did VRX miss any reporting requirement at this point? None. Which means, its balance sheet with $6.60-$7.00 EPS with $660M D&A is improving so much this year.

    Is VRX still a target for M&A? Yes. The possible price range? I think it should be in the range of industry multiple.

    Best trading strategy? Buy Call Options.

  • entertainmentinvestlng entertainmentinvestlng May 27, 2016 11:51 PM Flag

    And I just realized something - this 15 days is considered to be a grace period prior to getting late fee which lenders are entitled to receive.

    Who is getting this hidden fee? Lender or LendingClub? If it goes to LendingClub, the company is truly committing the fraud as it is collecting interest payment which belongs to lenders. If it goes to Lenders, it also violates original loan document which states that there is no fee charged under 15 days grace period.

    Either way, LendingClub needs to reimburse this amount and makes an apology statement for borrowers before a class action lawsuit starts.

    No wonder why CEO walked away quickly and no one is interested in taking the position.

  • Another scam that LendingClub is going to answer.

    LendingClub has been sending out an email that stated that borrowers can change payment date by before/after 15 days from current payment date. But, what they didn't tell borrowers was that it would increased monthly payment amount!

    CFPB should be looking into this situation - borrowers are getting charged with hidden fee with clearly stating to customer under Disclosure Act.

  • entertainmentinvestlng by entertainmentinvestlng May 27, 2016 1:26 AM Flag

    TPG doesn't just walk away for initial rejection by company. this private equity firm will go hostile on VRX.

    btw, TPG's AUM is $75B+ so they can overbid any other buyers including Ackman/Pershing.

    I wonder why analysts' estimated EPS for this year is $10+ per share. 10x gives $100 stock price, 20x gives $200. for TPG, VRX is cheap no matter what price it is trading at.

    Maybe KKR or 3G may be interested here especially, 3G worked with Ackman on Burger King deal and made a fortune before.

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