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hschlauch 67 posts  |  Last Activity: Jul 26, 2016 8:08 AM Member since: Mar 8, 2012
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  • Robert Pierce is presenting today at Fred Hutch, Thomas Building, from 3-4pm.

    Should be a good discussion.

    In Joe Biden's words, "This is a big f'n deal".

  • hschlauch by hschlauch Jul 22, 2016 10:00 AM Flag

    If you were there you would know EXACTLY what is going on right now. All proposals passed and interim DURGA combination results with anti-PD-1 are pending.

  • hschlauch by hschlauch Jul 18, 2016 2:09 PM Flag

    Please see 'I have terminal cancer and I know my friends want to ask, 'Aren’t you dead yet?' published in the LA Times yesterday. I am 99.9999% confident that this op-ed written by Melinda Welsh is ONCS's electroporated IL-12 combination trial for metastatic melanoma. If you haven't read it yet, you should.

    This anecdotal efficacy evidence complements 'A Review of Novel Intralesional Therapies for Melanoma, With an Emphasis on a Potential Combination Approach' by Chen and Daud in Oncology Journal, May 15, 2016. In Chen and Daud's piece, the authors describe efficacy in three patients from ONCS's combination Metastatic Melanoma trial.

  • hschlauch hschlauch Jul 15, 2016 10:06 AM Flag

    'Electroporated'

  • Looks like some potential problems in IL-12 land. ONCS uses an electorates version of IL-12 DNA.

  • Reply to

    Surprise 8 K

    by danm37 Jul 11, 2016 4:15 PM
    hschlauch hschlauch Jul 11, 2016 4:20 PM Flag

    Significant across-the-board progress. The covered scripts rate is gaining some momentum.

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    Merck and Moderna Deal

    by hschlauch Jul 1, 2016 3:04 AM
    hschlauch hschlauch Jul 11, 2016 3:11 PM Flag

    Also, neoantigen targeting is quickly becoming the new frontier in cancer vaccines. First generation vaccines developed by most companies have failed to elicit significant responses for several reasons.

    First, the targeted tumor antigens weren't matching up with vaccine's antigen(s); therefore t-cells weren't attacking the tumor cells.

    Second, vaccine antigens weren't being recognized by an individual's immune cells as "foreign"; therefore the body won't create an immune response. Only neoantigens are going to be recognized by the immune system as foreign.

    Third, cancer vaccines lacked a mechanism to stimulate expansion of t-cells, memory precursor cells, or mature memory cells; therefore the concentration of tumor infiltrating lymphocytes and memory cells was insufficient to eradicate fast-dividing tumor cells.

    Lastly, checkpoint inhibitors weren't being used in combination with vaccines; therefore, even if CD-8 t-cells were activated to attack specific tumor cells, they would be stopped by immune checkpoints.

    I think Heat Biologics is ahead of the pack, because they use a heat shock protein platform that is capable of seeking out antigen presenting cells (e.g. dendritic cells), which in turn activates CD-8 t-cells with a multitude of neoantigens (see HTBX's pan antigen strategy). This prevents tumor cells from escaping recognition. Heat's COMPACT vaccine takes this a bit further by including a co-stimulatory molecule, i.e. FC-OX40L, which allows for a much more robust immune response than heat shock protein alone. The co-stimulatory molecule, therefore, theoretically helps to increase the number of tumor infiltrating lymphocytes. The icing on the cake is the immune checkpoint blockers like anti-pd-1 drugs. Usually there are high concentrations of TIL that possess checkpoint pathways, so blocking these checkpoints using anti-pd-1 drugs, like opdivo for example, "takes the brakes off" t-cell attack.

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    Merck and Moderna Deal

    by hschlauch Jul 1, 2016 3:04 AM
    hschlauch hschlauch Jul 11, 2016 11:54 AM Flag

    Considering they have reduced a significant portion of their workforce, coupled with trial prioritization, I imagine they have enough runway to get them through the first quarter of 2017. We will have a better sense of where they stand financially in just over a week from now.

  • hschlauch hschlauch Jul 8, 2016 12:53 PM Flag

    I think the key advantage to COMPACT is its ability to stimulate the production of memory precursor and mature memory cells through FC-OX40L. This unique ability provides a durable immune response when compared to the mAbs listed. In other words, it should theoretically prevent cancer recurrence after tumor elimination.

    I would like to think the company is heading in the direction of combining their COMPACT-FC-OX40L platform with an anti-pd1 drug for solid tumors. The DURGA results should shed some light on whether or not they take this approach.

  • It is all about pairing anti pd-1 with a pan antigen vaccine. Cancer vaccines won't be effective unless you have an anti pd-1 component that is used in conjunction with it. Merck is well aware of the synergies between the two.

    I wouldn't for a second underestimate HTBX's heat shock protein approach coupled with anti pd-1 therapy. DURGA interim data have been trickling out for NSCLC. Stay tuned because this may become very interesting when they report more interim data.

  • hschlauch hschlauch Jun 22, 2016 12:11 PM Flag

    Was the hyperphosphatemia market in ESRD built over night? Nope. Right now, approximately 70% of hyperphosphatemia cases are being addressed by binders in CKD ESRD. HK treatment is on the same trajectory, but the market size is nearly six times that of hyperphosphatemia.

    The primary market is in episodic, or "chronic" if you prefer, hyperkalemia. If a nephrologist only sees patients several times per year, of course the majority of nephrologists and cardiologists will prefer maintenance therapy rather than waiting for emergency room situations. This isn't always the case from what I can tell, but it sure looks like the majority of script writers will be heading in this direction.

    There are also emergency room situations in which the symptoms of HK will be identified, but the condition won't be life threatening. I suspect non-emergent acute use is reasonable in these situations. I'm not a doctor, but this seems like a logical conclusion.

    As far as ZS-9 is concerned, they can't seem to produce any long term safety and efficacy data for their product, so how can anyone reasonably conclude that they will be competitive with V? I am betting that the manufacturing issues weren't the only CRL concerns, and that long term sodium zirconium cyclosilicate use is leading to cardiovascular events and increased resistant hypertension.

  • Reply to

    Next offering

    by briannajor Jun 20, 2016 2:06 PM
    hschlauch hschlauch Jun 22, 2016 9:59 AM Flag

    It looks like a lot of milestones will be achieved before any hypothetical dilution talks. They have enough runway to take them through at least mid 2017 based on current spending.

    The company seems to be well aware of the synergy between checkpoint inhibitors and their electroporated IL-12 platform - they put the monotherapy head and neck study on hold to aggressively pursue a registration anti-pd-1 and electroporated IL-12 trial. The interim metastatic melanoma data, if it demonstrates greater efficacy over anti- pd-1 antibody therapy used alone, could theoretically be applied to many types of solid tumor indications. ONCS's electroporated IL-12 platform could be akin to checkpoint inhibitor applications in that it might be capable of addressing a multitude of cancer types. We will, however, have to wait on interim data to see if this is really the case. If it achieves what I think it is capable of achieving, then any hypothetical future dilution will be a moot concern.

  • hschlauch hschlauch Jun 21, 2016 10:00 PM Flag

    Yep, almost a year now on the zs004e completion and nothing has been reported. AZ SHOWS NO CONFIDENCE IN ZS-9's ABILITY TO ADDRESS LONG TERM HK MAINTENANCE. The buyout price for ZS was predicated on its purported ability to be used on a chronic basis. Yet, no one is confident enough to report on its long term efficacy or safety.

    There are a lot of people who are fixated on ZS-9 prospects after manufacturing concerns are mitigated. The real issue, I think, is safety related. I am willing to bet that ZS-9 will use its existing shorter term data to file for acute use only after meeting with the FDA. The FDA didn't call for more data because they are probably already convinced with the existing data that the drug doesn't benefit CKD patients for open-ended duration of use.

  • Reply to

    Conference call

    by shot18969 Jun 9, 2016 10:37 PM
    hschlauch hschlauch Jun 20, 2016 8:21 PM Flag

    Yes, this is one of the most important points that I also noted in the call. They will have interim combination anti pd-1 and electroporated il-12 data out soon for melanoma. Sounds like absolute urgency to get this to a registration trial asap. All due diligence points to increased double positive pd-1 TIL following il-12 DNA plasmid injection.

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    Confused

    by bmcgoo_03 Jun 16, 2016 6:25 PM
    hschlauch hschlauch Jun 20, 2016 11:18 AM Flag

    HTBX is one of them. The FDA hold was lifted, but everything else you list is correct about the company. I'm not making any investment recommendation, just addressing the technology.

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    Confused

    by bmcgoo_03 Jun 16, 2016 6:25 PM
    hschlauch hschlauch Jun 20, 2016 11:15 AM Flag

    Electroporated GP96 with FC-OX40L DNA uses synergistic platforms developed by Oncosec and Heat Biologics. The GP96 heat shock protein is secreted directly from the ER in tumor cells, which allows for tumor-specific neoantigen presentation. The expressed FC-OX40L co-stimulates killer t-cell and memory precursor cell production. Again, this is all in early development.

    Oncosec, Ziopharm, and Celsion are all developing IL-12 DNA therapies. Oncosec appears to be demonstrating early success with their electroporated version of DNA delivery, perhaps because the DNA expression remains in the tumor microenvironment. Correspondingly, PD-1 TIL appear to be increasing significantly following IL-12 electroporation - this signals improved neoantigen presentation by dendritic cells and robust stimulation of t-cells; it is essentially a "vaccine" although it doesn't provide the same level of epitope presentation that gp96 would provide. Again, these are early days, but I'm still very much intrigued by the synergistic platforms shared between ONCS and HTBX. I wouldn't be too surprised to see a trial soon that uses a combination of electroporated gp96 w/ FX-OX40L DNA, electroporated IL-12 DNA, and anti-PD-1.

  • Reply to

    Confused

    by bmcgoo_03 Jun 16, 2016 6:25 PM
    hschlauch hschlauch Jun 18, 2016 7:50 PM Flag

    Thanks for your post. I appreciate Agenus' personalized vaccine approach - a vaccine will be matched to at least one tumor's neoantigens following the algorithms. Most epitope vaccines have failed to achieve robust responses in part because they did not account for the heterogeneous nature of solid tumors and/or they were not used in combination with checkpoint inhibitors. Agenus should theoretically be capable of achieving greater responses due to their informed combination approaches.

    With that said, I think there are a couple areas that need improvement. First, I don't think they have a strong enough adjuvant to stimulate and clone CD-8 "killer" t-cells following activation by APC. Second, nothing convinces me that the response is going to include significant memory precursor cells to maintain response durations. Third, there are new approaches being developed elsewhere that would allow tumors to actively secrete chaperoned neoantigens in vivo and in the context of an inflamed tumor microenvironment; this would eliminate all complexities associated with tumor sampling, algorithm crunching, and matching vaccine development.

    Like I said, I think we will see improvements over SOC anti-pd-1 monotherapy. Unfortunately, there are a couple companies that appear to be leap frogging Agenus. To be fair, these other companies still have to complete mid stage trials, so it is all theoretical at this point.

  • Reply to

    ordering veltassa in the office

    by harphl Jun 7, 2016 10:48 PM
    hschlauch hschlauch Jun 9, 2016 12:46 PM Flag

    It seems like the frustration would be limited to first time script, not refills. So you are saying that you would rather see an uncontrolled recurrent hyperkalemic patient rather than initiating the vkonnect process during the first script? That seems absolutely unethical, because most of these patients are episodic as you should know. Also, you wouldn't encounter the same processing obstacles with Veltassa refills.

    Kionex isn't prescribed chronically to my knowledge, and hyperkalemia is episodic in CKD patients, so you imply that you prefer to see patients roll the dice on hyperkalemia and just wait for episodes to arrive. And if they reach a severe level, oh well, that's just part of doing business in private practice? A cardiac arrhythmia is preferred over processing paperwork during the initial script?

  • Reply to

    ordering veltassa in the office

    by harphl Jun 7, 2016 10:48 PM
    hschlauch hschlauch Jun 8, 2016 10:30 PM Flag

    The vkonnect paperwork is limited to first time prescriptions, not refills. That is why the poster's comments seem strange.

  • Reply to

    ordering veltassa in the office

    by harphl Jun 7, 2016 10:48 PM
    hschlauch hschlauch Jun 8, 2016 12:19 AM Flag

    How does the vkonnect impact refills for maintenance therapy? It sounds a lot like you are referencing acute indication. Am I correct? We all know kionex isn't prescribed on any long term basis. So you're saying you would rather roll the dice and potentially miss recurrent hyperkalemic episodes rather than complete paperwork at initial prescription?