speedy - Sorry to hear of your troubles. My dad passed at 96 but only after two difficult years of vegetative indignity in a nursing home. Not a good way to end. Hang in there.
krookedthinker. - What I said is exactly correct and your inability to think or even consider anything that doesn't support your narrow partisan ideology makes you just a propaganda puppet of the paranoid right.
The mideast problems can be traced way back to tribalism,sunni vs shia, our own imposition of the shah of iran,etc. But more recently - and far more pertinently - to the anti-west, anti- christian, anti- semitic rise ofbin laden and the al quaeda that grew out of the mujahideen, a military force enabled and armed by the CIA's operation cyclone under the tutelage of none other than george herbert walker bush. I notice the key role bush played in the creation and development of al quaeda has been conveniently purged from your version of revised history.
Clinton, who did have the intelligence information and the means to "off" bin laden made the mistake of informing the head of a sovereign (& supposedly allied country) of an impending military strike on its soil. That country whose allegiance was not to the US informed bin laden who always managed not to be where the strike was coming because of it.
But that not withstanding, if you are so childlishly naive as to believe that killing bin laden in '97, '98, or '99 would have eliminated al quaeda's plans and prevented all further attacks on the US you really should go back and redo gradeschool and see if it's possible for you to learn anything at all.
Dubbya the dim and his henchmen started a war based on lies and a lust for oil and a congenital inability to have access to massive military power and not use it. They destabilised a middleast the previous bush administration had realized was better than its alternatives (which is why they stopped the first gulf war where they did) and put together a follow up plan (throw the Iraqis a couple billion and they'll field an invincible army and spread western style democracy thru out the region). Not just naive - Idiotic.
krookedthinker - We do NOT agree that O is a spineless humanitarian disaster because I do not think that.
I do think he inherited a massive set of troubles from the incompetent and wrong-headed previous administration. And that he was not up to the job, lacking both national/global perspective and experience and maturity and to some extent ethical toughness. We could have done a lot worse in the past eight years. But without question we could have done better as well. Some of that is the fault of a congress so willing to let the country flounder as long as they protected the anomic insularity partisan politics provided.
The 1% let 'em eat cake crowd has been petitioning a french-style revolt for two decades or so and it's beginning to look like we might get one. Even Lincoln whose resolute strength and moral compass were so unusual would have trouble running today's america. And IMO neither of the sorry candidates measures up. Not even close. Unfortunately historically times like these, when social order is breaking down, politics are corrupt and an angry populace devolves to bitter internecine conflict, have given rise to the worst of tyrants.
Be careful what you wish for.
hatelibber - "Why anyone would support this loser is beyond me."
It's not so much that they are supporting him. It's that they are against what he's not.
riv - You must save a ton of money on mirrors. Because you don't need them. You see only your own ideas. You judge your errors as examples of intelligent flexibility and rapid response. Your every reference is to something you said rather than a seperate supportive example. Hubris, yes indeed.
The one consistent thread in your posts no matter whom you're debating or what the subject: I'm always right because I'm smarter than you. And the counterparty is incapable of understanding. Like I said you don't need mirrors.
bulgingwaffles - ".... Obama will go done in history as the most successful President in our history..."
Are you trying to establish the basis for an insanity defense? Or was that intended as a joke? Or just something to get denny/krooked to put down their beercan and cobble together a barely literate reply?
riv - "Whether remotely or closer, tapping into the same emotions and bringing about the same results. Why can't you understand such a simple correlation? Because you can't let yourself do so..."
Why can't I understand??? Why can't you ever admit you're wrong even when it's blatant? You said the were "the same". Not correlated, "the same". And they're not. The reason I'm not apologizing for making mistakes is because I'm not the one making them.
You spout off about age deceleration at the earth's core because of its maximum gravity. Displaying your familiarity with physics (along with everything else) ...And then, when you google the subject up AND DISCOVER YOU WERE DEAD WRONG - instead of a mea culpa, you denigrate others for not being as quick to refer to google as you were. Talk about hubris. Or dissimulation. You are the ego too brittle to admit error.
I am not the one making you look foolish. You are.
krookedthinker - "Bush should get a medal for saving the US."
The only thing that prevents me from declaring that the stupidest thing ever said in the english language is the distinct likelihood that you will say say something even stupider before long.
riv - "I guess I gotta go move to a black hole to be sure..."
You are about as near an intellectual black hole as you're likely to get right here on this board.
I notice shortly after displaying your vast knowledge of physics and suggesting gravity at the earth's center would be maximum, you googled up the fact that gravity at earth's center would be near zero and reposted your expertise. Whad'ya know? Another Google Genius pontificating. The word fraud keeps coming to mind.
riv - " i.e., the same.". No, not at all the same. Xenophobia fear of the foreign or different is subjective. The ISIS (radical islamic) lethal jihadic hatred is derived from the religious requirement to purge the holy lands of infidels and comes as a sacred mandate, not an arbitrary decision. Like I said (& you fail to understand) only remotely similar.
And, as if dictated by the gods of irony, you reply to my citing your need to keep your own score (your personal version of reality) by keeping your own score. You automatically proclaim whatever faults you have are really those of your adversary as if doing so makes you innocent and him guilty. It's a sopohomoric pattern, convincing only to its author and apparently something you cannot rise above. You are by no means stupid. But that does not mean you are not frequently wrong.
riv - Your pattern of self aggrandizment is predictable. It belies the infallibility it routinely proclaims. You accuse me of things I have neither said nor believe and then point out how wrong they are. Anyone can come out ahead by keeping his own score. And almost everyone who does secretly knows its overcompensation for lack of genuine merit.
I am quick to admit my mistakes in part because so doing makes my opinions more credible.
The connections between european and american xenophobia and ISIS hatred of "infidels" is remote at best. One is fueled by religious and tribal hostility* whereas the other is rooted in cultural disruption and the societal displacements that inevitably accompany unchecked immigration.
Again your arbitrarily assigning me the "passage of intervals" view (which I do not hold) so you can criticize it is tiresome and sophomoric.
*exacerbated by the ravages of war
riv - Don't mean to let reality get in your way but - There's no way I remember bulging wallet from years ago. I wasn't even here years ago. You are not only mistaken but if you also discern telling similarities between bbwt's subtle sarcasm and dennygrate's crude language and style I hope you are not an analyst or detective in real life.
rivsucker - Just when I get to thinking you're the dumbest, crudest clown on the board you post something that makes me realize I've overestimated you. Give you credit for one thing though...at least you're consistent.
Still playing with yourself. You make up lies. Then use them to support your nonsense. And then switch nics and recommend your own post. Mentalmasturbation. Obviously all you're capable of. You are one sorry sob.
rivsucker. - what was your MA in, streetsweeping? Newspaper folding? Languages of the lower species??
You attack my support for hillary. Even tho I never have. You denigrate my being a democrat. Even tho I have been a republican for many decades and have said so here often. You have to invent things to attack that don't have any basis in the real world - why??? Because you're a (marginal) guy whose highest accomplishment is playing with himself. And so you do the only thing of which you're (borderline) capable on the board as you do in your tawdry little life. You should not be allowed to post anythng your guardian hasn't edited. Orwould that be your ward nurse?
The institution that gave you a diploma should be razed.
rivsucker - The average fifthgrader could have come up with a better, more stinging reply. I've never been a hillary supporter and have posted that often but then with the reading comprehension of a sloth you didn't get that. Your constant allusions tohitler are inane. You should limit your "net" time to videogames.
Stay in the shallow end of the pool.
riv sucker. - Based on your record of stableboy level slurs and near illiterate understanding of the current mideast ISIS development, the institution who granted you diplomas should be discredited and possibly razed. You might look into them "buying your silence". Y'know, keeping it quiet that that they ever had anything to do with you. Trust me, you've got a good case.
riv - We don't agree on much but we both seem to see trump's politcal intent as being more than just a president. I keep hearing a man who plans to be king. Cancelling multinational agreements, quarantining muslims, personally declaring war, suspending much of the bill of rights, altering parts of the constitution at will...sounds to me like a man chafing to declare martial law. And all this even before he's the official nominee. What level of one man rule will emerge should he actually get the nuclear football & other tyrant's toys?
Too many people cavalierly dismiss his bombast as hype. No question some of it is. The problem is some of it isn't. And we don't know how much. The tissue thin strength of the so-called GOP "leaders" can't control him now. What chance they can if he holds the world's most powerful office?
OK, I know no one wants to honestly think about that.
But that said, I don't think threats to off or terminate someone are ever acceptable..
riv sucker. - Did you ever manage to get your GED diploma? No? 'cause I have some time saving advice if you didn't. Don't bother. You won't make it. And you may hurt yourself trying.
dennygrate - The post that has unbalanced you (further) was not addressing you. If it had been I would have used one syllable words you have a chance of understanding. You should take my advice to put me on ignore and you'll have more time to throw bricks thru storefronts and overturn cars and other things you're best suited to.
"Chuck schumer??" "You two should mate.." You're babbling utter nonsense. You and juan have like deficiencies. But I don't suggest you should mate. In fact, I don't think you should be allowed to reproduce.