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MINCE38 13 posts  |  Last Activity: 10 hours ago Member since: Aug 5, 2001
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  • Why would net operating cash flow decrease for any reason with this stage of a company? Where is Warren and George when you need them. I'd love to get their opinion!!!!! Look at the streets latest commentary on their cash flow which is in the minus column. Why?

    Sentiment: Hold

  • mince38 mince38 Aug 14, 2014 5:09 PM Flag

    facts, The govt contract is the only reason I am even bothering to follow this stock. Can anyone supply us with a real news article from a real chinese newspaper that can confirm all of this? Abd also, maybe they are just shorts spouting BS, buit 2 or 3 guys said that this co. is not even listed in China in the list of top car co's in the battery car biz! Is this true? Could anyone supply a link? Dont be fooled by institutional ownership, its a good sign but Enron had plenty of that too,didnt they. This stock is either going to 50 cents and trade on the bulletin board or its going to 100. Thats obvious. So dont call me a spammer or dumper. I am not. Im looking for any reason to get in despite the flaky price action and accusations from getting alpha.

    Sentiment: Hold

  • mince38 mince38 Aug 13, 2014 3:44 PM Flag

    With this lousy rebound today after getting hit huge yesterday, you may be right. Im also concerned about the murky financials seeking alpha spoke about. Does anyone know the authors credibility who says they sold cars to their own subsidiary to boost sales numbers!!!!!!!? As well as selling batteries below cost. Id be so much more comfortable if they had several centers in the usa, so we can either walk into one or hear from somebody that could verify they actually have what they say. And btw....if it looks too good to be true......". You think all the big institutions are not supporting this for a reason. Do guys like Soros or Buffett own one share? You mean they couldnt find this thing? LOL Seriously Id love to ask one of them what they thought of this co. Forget all those stodgy clueless mutual fund managers.

  • mince38 mince38 Aug 13, 2014 3:39 PM Flag

    I PRAY you are right but the weak rebound today after big hit yesterday is a minor red flag. Spreads that are over 7 or 8 cents are also red flag. I think watch and wait is the thing to do. Why? No sophisticated investors on this board and nobody has talked to management in the co and we are another continent away. Id have felt much better if this co was in the US as well. We could walk in to one of their centers and see with our own eyes. LETS ALL THINK ON THAT!

  • mince38 mince38 Aug 13, 2014 3:34 PM Flag

    kelbarjaj, then you might agree with my previous 2 posts that this could be another Enron. Of courser this stock is very undervalued....................IF the financials are not fudged. I am so tempted to buy in with a small stop but these guys are hitting stops every week. Fluctuations and wide spread are not good indicators. Big plus: WEEKLY CHART IS STILL ABOVE 8SMA. If it goes much below that which would be about another dollar down move, I think we are in trouble.

    Sentiment: Hold

  • Thats red flag number one. Number 2 is the spread which should never be more than a nickel. I personally dont like getting alphas accusation on the murky financials either. My previous post explained very calmly what happened when I put good money into a stock with murky financials and flow charts and spreads that were always too wide. NFI was a stock I bought at $60 with a 2b market cap and daily volume over 1m. But murky financials and wider than normal spread should have taken me out. It didnt. The stock went to zero. This is an American stock exchange traded stock even alpha and eventually Kramer touted. All of it was smoke and mirrors. It went from 5 ot 80 in 2 yrs and then went to zero. Something to think about as sometimes the "smartest guys in the room" (think Enron!!!!!) take their time in squeezing every investor they can. Or, the company is honest but the market makers have "picked out" this stock. Would you feel better if this stock went to 34 and then buy it, or get cut in half to 17 and then buy it??????? Bargain? Or momentum? Which do we want? Or is this just a pump and dump. I cant figure it out. Thats a big red flag if some of you look up my posts going back 15 yrs I dont cry wolf for nothing. If I get in, I will have a fairly close stop which is what they are hitting most days anyway, so how can one play this safely? I dont know!

    Sentiment: Hold

  • mince38 mince38 Aug 13, 2014 3:20 PM Flag

    Does anyone remember a company that dealt in real estate finance called NFI? About 11 yrs ago. Northstar Financial. They had a market cap of 2b. They always had merky financials and even murkier "flow charts." But because their earnings were exploding up each quarter we all looked to a mysterious website that someone put up to "help investors understand the company." Long story short the stock rose from like 5 to 60 over 2 years. Thats a long time for auditors to catch something. It sputtered at around the $60 area when the website appeared. It then very slowly nudged upward to about $80......but it often had an unexplainable 5-20 cent spread for the stock almost every day. . Sometimes as much as 40 cents on some days.AND IT TRADED OVER 1M SHARES DAILY! Long story short the stock was 'allowed" to drop rapidly but not alarmingly to $40 in 2 months so nobody got scared by any one days decline. At that time all the alanlysts jumped on it saying the p/e and the book value was so rediculously undervalued. I think the book was like .70 to a dollar! And that we were in the middle of a huge housing book so how could the stock do badly, they all asked us to ask ourselves. I believe get alpha (?) was also touting it big time. Maybe kramer too. It promptly went to zero in the next 3 months!!! One of the best pump and dump jobs Ive ever seen because I myself took a big hit. If I only knew then that ecen 8 or 10 cent spreads daily are a big red flag for any stock under 100, I would have saved myself a lot of heartache. I am dying to buy into this stock, but if any of you read my previous post about getting alpha's report on them fudging their revenues by selling batteries to themselves, I think we have 2 red flags. The spread which indicates manipulation and also this financial. Maybe we should wait.

  • mince38 mince38 Aug 12, 2014 3:52 PM Flag

    are they the subsidiary pointed out in this article on alpha?

    Sentiment: Buy

  • mince38 mince38 Aug 12, 2014 3:50 PM Flag

    Thank you. You make sense. And no, it is not 5 yrs the market is shrugging off news like this. Its a few yrs its grinding up but as a day trader I remember the big dattraders would use every "hint" at am interest rate hike to drop the dow over 100 at 9:30 before bernanke even got a chance to speak and then miraculously it would rally back almost into the black by the time he gave his "benign" news. Do all of you forget just 6 months ago the euro union announced it might split up as the euro was so weak. Not only did the dow and naz not care look how far its moved up. You mean Europe isnt broke anymore? Are they just playing the printing money game like we are? Maybe thats why stocks are all drifting up, not because of any real value but because thye inflation is showing in the stockmarket first. In other words a 10 dollar stock last year now needs 12 dollars to buy it because it still only gets you $10 worth of food today. (or less!) Anyone notice that its almost $5 for most brands of cereals and $3.99 for plain loaves of watery pre-packaged english muffins or bread. Maybe the dow "will" reach 22000 before bursting because by them a box of all bran will be 6 or 7 bucks. And does anyone really think that the religious fanatics in the middle east have just gone away? There is no discount built in for terrorism or massive currency fluctuations. Why??????? I might as well be a buyer too if we want to play musical chairs.

    Sentiment: Buy


    What do you guys make of this? Not only implications of selling to themselves, but.....reselling batterys below costs to boost sales numbers. #$%$! I was about to buy in today at this fabulous juicy $17 number but now am concerned. Opinions please.....

    Sentiment: Buy

  • Do you guys remember the duays that if such an action as this was even hinted at the dow would drop 200-300 points on a dime? Why is global news not mattering anymore? As an aside has anyone seen what AA is doing. They have back orders for cars and planes for 5 years as of last year and demand for aluminum has started soaring this year. Is this a $50 stock in 12 months?

    Sentiment: Buy

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    Great Buy at these levels!

    by time2cashin May 15, 2014 4:15 PM
    mince38 mince38 Jun 10, 2014 11:49 PM Flag

    Can you provide reasons, articles, statistics or anything besides the usual..."everybodys gambling now, dude!" I'm not flaming you but we have far too many one sentence tpredictions that anyone who can read as balance sheet would laugh at. In fact, abd again Im not flaming you, when anyone gives a comment like that it shows they do not own very much of the stock, most often thru their mutuel fund because anyone with even a measly 10 grand in this co. could give me several good reasons to buy this. I because I am not in the mood will give you 3....Shufflemaster, their management and the innovative games they have come out with, they already control the live shuffling market and management is not afraid to take risks. I havent been to a casino in over a year. I used to be a vegas dealer. So I know what I am seeing. And let me tell you, the electronic gaming thatmachines that let you bet up to 10,000 dollars on a roll of the dice at craps is telling me that the future is just beginning for slot and gaming machine makers. Think sports....what could they possibly do in the sports world and who is in the position to buy almost anyone out that comes out with anything better than we have. I can actually see a day coming when you can go into a casino and bet on how many people (over or under) are in all the casinos in a particular state, or how many twitters or emails the President will get this week. Every sporting event will no longer need a human to take the legal places anyway. Even betting on the stock share price of comapnies themselves might be able to be done in a casino so stock market players dont feel like they are really gambling. Its going to be unreal what comes out in the next 5 years. And naturally they are almost always in the black!

  • In other words, if what you guys are saying is correct, about KNDI not being able to sustain itself the only reason this isnt a dollar stock is obvious....the hope of the govt subsidies. Thats #1. Number 2 is...why would this company sell 600m in cars to themselves? Only reason i can think of is to generate false publicity which means this mgmt team is more worried about the stock price holding up so they can cash out is related to how much in subsidies we would get. Whats the lesson here ,men. With everyone calling each other trolls, and *ucktards and all the stupidest things humans call each other, turns out nobody knew what they were talking about here as usual. So this should say...before we point a finger at someone else...remember...there are 3 pointing back at you. #2- We all thought this was the biggest giveaway of the year just 3 short months ago, rememeber. So the next lesson is, if it looks too good to be probabaly is. Let us all learn so this wasnt a total waste boys. Doesnt mean we cant watch it. We all know this is going to be a sub $3 stock or in 5 yrs it will be well over 100. But all the little micro bits of news that are going to get this thing jumping back and forth each week should be ignored. And guys please...........ignore the pumpers. Thats the only way they will go away.

    Sentiment: Hold

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