“We started this on a fool’s errand, convincing so many millions of Americans and our supporters that we could defund Obamacare," McCain said.
While McCain didn't name names, he faulted members of Congress -- "tea partiers specifically" -- for wrongly telling "millions of Americans" that Obamacare can be defunded.
That "obviously wouldn’t happen until we had 67 Republican senators to override a presidential veto," McCain said.
McCain denounced the fight to defund Obamacare at the cost of a fiscal impasse even before the govenrment shut down last week. McCain called out Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) for his anti-Obamacare speech, and said "the people spoke" when they reelected President Barack Obama in 2012.
"We fought as hard as we could in a fair and honest manner and we lost," McCain said. "One of the reasons was because we were in the minority, and in democracies, almost always the majority governs and passes legislation."
Mcpain then Romney lost.
Get over it.
Teaparty is a disease wrecking the republican party and for that, Dems thank them.
Look at a demographic chart and you will see the diminishing votes that will be going to the repuke party.
Too bad--you repukkkkkes want more wars that are not paid for and more tax breaks for the 1%. Not gonna happen.
Well at least your Speaker is Gaye.
That is the only good thing about him but he really does need to come out like Barney Frank did.
If sheeet were brains, the teaparty boys would be Einsteins.
Your party is a joke and--you are too.
The debt ceiling turns out to be unexploded ordnance lying around the American form of government. Only custom or moral compunction stops the opposition party from using it to nullify the president’s powers, or, for that matter, the president from using it to nullify Congress’s. (Obama could, theoretically, threaten to veto a debt ceiling hike unless Congress attaches it to the creation of single-payer health insurance.) To weaponize the debt ceiling, you must be willing to inflict harm on millions of innocent people. It is a shockingly powerful self-destruct button built into our very system of government, but only useful for the most ideologically hardened or borderline sociopathic. But it turns out to be the perfect tool for the contemporary GOP: a party large enough to control a chamber of Congress yet too small to win the presidency, and infused with a dangerous, millenarian combination of overheated Randian paranoia and fully justified fear of adverse demographic trends.
The standoff embroiling Washington represents far more than the specifics of the demands on the table, or even the prospect of economic calamity. It is an incipient constitutional crisis. Obama foolishly set the precedent in 2011 that he would let Congress jack him up for a debt-ceiling hike. He now has to crush the practice completely, lest it become ritualized. Obama not only must refuse to trade concessions for a debt-ceiling hike; he has to make it clear that he will endure default before he submits to ransom. To pay a ransom now, even a tiny one, would ensure an endless succession of debt-ceiling ransoms until, eventually, the two sides fail to agree on the correct size of the ransom and default follows.
This is a domestic Cuban Missile Crisis. A single blunder could have unalterable consequences: If Obama buckles his no-ransom stance, the debt-ceiling-hostage genie will be out of the bottle. If Republicans believe he is bluffing, or accept his position but obstinately refuse it, or try to lift the debt ceiling and simply botch the vote count, a second Great Recession could ensue.
When Linz contemplated the sorts of crises endemic to presidential systems, he imagined intractable claims of competing legitimacy—charismatic leaders riding great passionate mobs, insisting they alone represented the will of the people. The present crisis is a variation of that. Republicans insistently point to polls showing disapproval of the Affordable Care Act—a kind of assertion of legitimacy via direct referendum, implicitly rebuking Obama’s counter-argument that the presidential election settled the issue of repealing the Affordable Care Act. But the Republican position rests more heavily on the logic of extortion rather than popular mandate. “No one wants to default, but we are not going to continue to give the president a limitless credit card,” warned Republican representative Jason Chaffetz earlier this year. Obama “will not permit an economic crisis worse than 2008–09,” wrote former Bush administration speechwriter Marc Thiessen, and thus “has no choice but to negotiate with GOP leaders.” Republicans argue that Obama bears all responsibility for avoiding a national catastrophe; Obama argues that both sides bear an equal amount every day—and that this particular mess is not his to clean up.
How to settle this dispute? Here is where Linz’s analysis rings chillingly true: “There is no democratic principle on the basis of which it can be resolved, and the mechanisms the Constitution might provide are likely to prove too complicated and aridly legalistic to be of much force in the eyes of the electorate.” This is a fight with no rules. The power struggle will be resolved as a pure contest of willpower.
In our Founders’ defense, it’s hard to design any political system strong enough to withstand a party as ideologically radical and epistemically closed as the contemporary GOP. (Its proximate casus belli—forestalling the onset of universal health insurance—is alien to every other major conservative party in the industrialized world.) The tea-party insurgents turn out to be right that the Obama era has seen a fundamental challenge to the constitutional order of American government. They were wrong about who was waging it.
Last Tuesday, House Republicans shut down the federal government, demanding that Obama abolish his health-care reform in a tactically reckless gamble that most of the party feared but could not prevent. More surreal, perhaps, were the conditions they issued in exchange for lifting the debt ceiling later this month. Lifting the debt ceiling, a vestigial ritual in which Congress votes to approve payment of the debts it has already incurred, is almost a symbolic event, except that not doing it would wreak unpredictable and possibly enormous worldwide economic havoc. (Obama’s Treasury Department has compared the impact of a debt breach to the failure of Lehman Brothers.) The hostage letter House Republicans released brimmed with megalomaniacal ambition. If he wanted to avoid economic ruin, Republicans said, Obama would submit to a delay of health-care reform, plus tax-rate cuts, enactment of offshore drilling, approval of the Keystone pipeline, deregulation of Wall Street, and Medicare cuts, to name but a few demands. Republicans hardly pretended to believe Obama would accede to the entire list (a set of demands that amounted to the retroactive election of Mitt Romney), but the hubris was startling in and of itself.
The debt ceiling turns out to be unexploded ordnance lying around the American form of government. Only custom or moral compunction stops the opposition party from using it to nullify the president’s powers, or, for that matter, the president from using it to nullify Congress’s. (Obama could, theoretically, threaten to veto a debt ceiling hike unless Congress attaches it to the creation of single-payer health insurance.) To weaponize the debt ceiling, you must be willing to inflict harm on millions of innocent people. It is a shockingly powerful self-destruct button built into our very system of government, but only useful for the most ideologically hardened or borderline sociopathic. But it turns out to be the perfect tool for the contemporary GOP: a party large enough to control a chamber of Congress yet too small to win the presidency, and infused with a dangerous, millenarian combination of overheated Randian paranoia and fully justified fear of adverse demographic trends. The only thing that limits the debt ceiling’s potency at the moment is the widespread suspicion that Boehner is too old school, too lacking in the Leninist will to power that fires his newer co-partisans, to actually carry out his threat. (He has suggested as much to some colleagues in private.) Boehner himself is thus the one weak link in the House Republicans’ ability to carry out a kind of rolling coup against the Obama administration. Unfortunately, Boehner’s control of his chamber is tenuous enough that, like the ailing monarch of a crumbling regime, it’s impossible to strike an agreement with him in full security it will be carried out.
Mcpain and Rombo lost. YOU LOST
90% of people want some gun laws and rightwing niimrods do not care about that.
Obama said he would do healthcare.
He won re-election two time on the issue.
It was upheld by the supreme court.
It is the job--the job of the House to pass the debt ceiling increase.
It is not the President's job to surrender to them.
He will not because he cannot and still be leader can he.
Just short the market and enjoy.
The house GOP will be wrecked over this and the Teaparty made the Villon.
But I would bet on the Euro taking over as the main currency should America break into an endless fight.
America has had this in the past but after 1865 the nation United behind ONE government.
But as we can all see, this poison has raised up again triggured by a Black Illinois Senator being elected President. The Southern boys hate Illinois and they hate Libs and they really hate A black Lib from Illinois.
I really think this fight is not about the Healthcare law but simply a hate for the Yankees,
Do you Rebs really think the Yankees from Illinois, Pennsylvania, and New York are gonna take your sheeet?
Do younk California gives a clap what you igggiuts think?
We all know this thing has no way out now.
If the Pres were to allow the Teaparty Rebs to force a withdrawl of the Health act, his career would be over
His Libs HATE The Tea Party and want Teaparty blood in the form of a wrecked republican party
BUT-----California is booming and has no fight. If big oil takes control of Texas, it can force a surrender out Repubs in Texas.
Just bend over, put your head between your knees, and kiss that 401(k) goodbye.
This fight is going to get U G L Y--but not as U G L Y as Hillary.
They failed to look at the bigger picture, their collective vision tunneled to include only their party and their personal need to crush the black man who beat them, not only in the election, but at instituting a law of the land that they've talked about since mid-20th century. And now that picture is being played over and over again on every screen in every home in every country: America is being held hostage, not by foreign terrorists, but by their own elected officials who are willing not only to bring it to the brink of disaster, but nudge it over the edge. That tunnel vision didn't allow them to see that it would go this far and that there is absolutely no way for them to save face now. Any compromise on their part, however good for the country, would be seen by them as defeat. Is this not the definition of Civil War?
Same old same old. The good old boys--the Confeds are now all over the nation. A black man is President and they do not like it. A lot of them hate the Yankee government. They are not loyal to the nation. I fear that Our President is going to make the same mistake that Lincoln made by trying to talk to them. Lincoln could have ended the war in the first year had he unleashed Grant and Sherman to let their American army run through the fields of the deep south as did Sherman in the end.
Now the President is starting to fight back but should the meltdown come--the Banks Big money corporations, and Wallstreet and all investors will be begging the President to stop this wreck.
The republican party is near split now. The Republican states to the west and republican voters to the North will not stand with the radical Teaparty southern based Republicans should we go over the cliff and the Dow crashes.
The Republican party as a name will die.
The southern based KKK Teaparty confeds took the Lincoln republican party and destroyed it and used it to destroy our economy on another Pickets charge. it was bound to end poorly for johnny Reb of 1860 as now.
Of course--they are #$%$ voted into office by ignorant voters but they know what they are doing is going to wreck the nation.
The same Rightwing old people and whites who now back them will go nuts when their Social security checks and medicade are stopped because of the nation's inability to function.
I think it will be unsafe to stand near a Teaparty republican after this occurs. You could get hit by friendly fire.
Cruz Bachman Limbaugh
All of the Teaparty leaders betting their careers on the crash not occuring.
If we do crash as the Treasury Separtment says we will after a default---their careers are over and they might have to run for their own safety to live in another nation.
Thoses good old boys in Texas will blame you rightwing teabaggers when their lives are wrecked.
The Treasury Department just came out with a nifty little scare-brochure. It reminded us of come-to-jebus brochures talking about hellfire, except rather than hellfire, we have imminent global economic collapse:
In the event that a debt limit impasse were to lead to a default, it could have a catastrophic effect on not just financial markets but also on job creation, consumer spending and economic growth with many private-sector analysts believing that it would lead to events of the magnitude of late 2008 or worse, and the result then was a recession more severe than any seen since the Great Depression. Considering the experience of countries around that world that have defaulted on their debt, not only might the economic consequences of default be profound, those consequences, including high interest rates,reduced investment, higher debt payments,and slow economic growth, could last for more than a generation.
Good times. Seriously, no one knows what will happen if the debt ceiling isn’t raised. It means that someone ain’t getting paid — might be the olds with their Social Security, or the military, or Congress (hahahaha right), or food from the mouths of hungry kids, or god knows what.
So yeah, at least there is a plan for a government shutdown/slimdown. There’s no plan for default, and that’s what scares people — people with a brain, at least. Many fear that if Congress can’t even fund the government, will they really be able to raise the debt ceiling? Hope you enjoyed being an economic superpower while it lasted!
But maybe the Tea Party wing of the GOP has a point… maybe Obamacare is so bad that it is worth tanking the global economy, creating financial upheaval at an unprecedented level, and utterly destroying a fragile economy clawing its way back from a recession.
#$%$ that. They are all insane. Who knows what will happen, but we do know this: You can sign up for Obamacare at healthcare.gov, so #$%$ the GOP, go get yourself some health care.
In all seriousness, this letter from the CoC is perhaps the best evidence yet that the old-guard GOP and their corporate benefactors have finally lost control of the useful idiots they’ve been manipulating so successfully for so long. Nobody who has a fact-based idea of what could happen in a shutdown or — worse — a sovereign debt default wants either. But one is well on its way, and another is terrifyingly possible because most Republicans in Congress are more worried about appeasing the actual lunatics who vote in GOP primaries than doing the right thing for the country. Or they’re lunatics themselves. And what’s really great/terrible is that these lunatics are Frankenstein’s monsters stitched together by the constant lies and distortions of… the GOP, the Chamber of Commerce, and associated groups, in order to drum up support for “pro-business” policies.
Usually we like irony, but pppphhhllluckkkkkkk!.
No, obviously not! It’s much more likely that Obama’s jillbooted transgender Muslim FEMA thugs have infiltrated the highest levels of the Chamber of Commerce, or maybe he put drugs in their Perrier and panda blood spritzers. Does the Chamber have a Reichstag? Better check the fire extinguishers, is all we’re saying.
On the other hand, this bit sounds a lot more like the Chamber we know and loathe:
“Congress cannot continue ‘kicking the can down the road;’ it’s time to take corrective action to address the unaffordable path of entitlement spending, to stabilize federal finances and to undertake fundamental tax reform to strengthen the American economy,”
In other words: “We have found that workers will absorb more abuse and tolerate poverty wages for longer if they know they won’t get any help from the government if they’re fired. Also we would like to pay no taxes at all, please.”
It looks like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce did not get Ted Cruz’s memo that “President” Obama is actually the one shutting down the government, because POLITICO is reporting that the Chamber has “rallied nearly 240 groups to sign a letter Friday afternoon pushing Congress to avoid a government shutdown and to move fast to raise the debt ceiling.”
Now wait just a minute, we thought it was a known known that when the government spends money, that money is poison and if a Job Creator touches it, America dies, and literally the only way that the government can help the economy is to melt, thaw and resolve itself into a dew. And we thought the Chamber hated Obamacare! Politics, what is up, why are you so confusing? Could it really be true that lurching from one manufactured crisis to another while randomly (and not-so-randomly) threatening to cause another recession unless the President agrees to cut off his own #$%$ is actually worse for businesses than a plan to provide affordable insurance for people?
Affordable Health Act is Law and if you want to live in a nation without National health care, try some place in Central Africa. I bet they would love you there cute boy.
Fox News Poll Finds Disapproval Of GOP Skyrocketing After They Shut Down Government
According to the Fox News poll, disapproval of the Republican Party has jumped from 46% in September of 2012 to 59% today. Disapproval of the GOP has climbed from 54% in January to 56% in April to nearing 60% today. Approval of the Republican Party has fallen from 45% to 35%. In contrast, Democratic Party unfavorability has stayed stable in the Fox poll at between 48% and 49% all through 2013.
Support for repealing the ACA has dropped from 39% in June to 30% today. This could mean that the linking of funding the government to defunding or delaying the ACA has completely backfired on the Republican Party. The number of Americans who think that they will be better off under Obamacare has risen by 7 points from 34% to 41%, and by a margin of 36%-19% respondents thought that Ted Cruz’s fake filibuster hurt efforts to repeal the ACA.
Eighty one percent think the government shutdown is a serious problem, and they are blaming John Boehner and Ted Cruz (42%) more than they are blaming Harry Reid and President Obama (32%). A new CBS News poll confirmed the Fox News poll by finding that 44% of Americans blame Boehner and the Republicans for the shutdown, while 35% blame Obama and the Democrats.
The behavior of House Republicans isn’t just hurting their 2014 chances. It is damaging the whole Republican Party. When a Fox News poll finds a sizable margin of people are blaming the Republicans things are really bad. The Fox News polls have always shaded their questions with loaded terms, so it means a lot when a poll that is normally friendly to the GOP finds things going this badly.
Republicans dismiss most polls as “rigged by the liberal media,” but it is difficult for them to ignore a poll that cones from the supposed only real news source that they trust. The government shutdown isn’t just bad for Republicans. It’s disastrous.
Aside from the stock market tanking real time . I just heard that next week food stamps for women and babies their cards will not work with this shutdown ..............Imagine desperate poor sick women and babies and children NO FOOD..............Next week people , next week ,in America.
Bob Woodward accused Republicans in Congress of "blackmail" on Monday's "Morning Joe."
"Let's call it what it is, they are trying to blackmail the president and say, 'Look, we're going to shut down the government or default on our debt unless you -- we go back, rewind the clock, on Obamacare and delay it or somehow cut off the funding," he said. "You can't govern that way. It will not work. It will be exposed."