Thanks for the thoughtful reply/replies! I'm coming to believe, from reading comments on this thread, that it's a "20-something thing" and not a "good/great phone issue"!
Holding strong...and needing to get an Z10 for myself! Thanks to all commentary!
Thanks for the reply...I "hear you", and I would imagine it's more of a "branding issue" than a real, phone capable issue. As an investor, I need to actually get one myself, so "I can be the judge", and not rely on "what others are saying"!
Is there any chance that the salesperson was "subsidized by Samsung" for pushing the S-4 over the Z10? Anybody have direct experience versus the two? How could the S-4 have a dual-core processor and two cameras versus the the Z10's single(s)? If the Z10 isn't a seller in the USA, can BBRY sustain success "even though", where it sells well outside the USA?
Just a little jaded after yesterday's experience!
Thoughts, rebuttals, counter-arguments?
I invested in BBRY b/c of the balance sheet, the new products, new management, and the "turn-around" story. I have found that as much as BBRY is demonized, that even people, business people mainly, that mighthave other phones, still have use of their Blackberry. The most compelling reason for me to "bite", really was the extraordinary balance sheet.
But and however, and I'll probably get a lot of "baser-in-disguise" comments from this post,. Yesterday I took my wife to a T-mobile store. She recently lost her S-3, and unfortunately we didn't have insurance. Her birthday is coming-up, and I wanted to surprise her with a new phone. But being an investor, I wanted to get her a Z10 I knew she'd like a Blackberry anyway, b/c she's a "business person", who only wanted a BBRY when she first started getting a cell phone.
Another "but-and-however", they has a pretty good display for the Z10, with brochures at the front counter. But here's the "kicker"...when we talked/w the salesman about the Z10 vs. the S-4 (the latest iteration of my wife's lost phone), the salesman said that the S-4 was "twice the phone in performance", vs the S-4 He said the S-4 was a "dual-core" with two cameras and that it was a "much better phone". I then queried him about "how the Z10 was selling" and he said it wasn't, b/c people didn't know how to operate it. I said, "well who buys it", and he said, "people who know what they want, secure-server type folks, business type folks".
It was just troubling hearing this guy push the S-4 so much, while dissing the Z10 so strongly. I know that BBRY has much stronger markets than here in the USA, but according to this guy, the Z10 isn't half the phone the S-4 is! That troubles me, b/c while I don't expect the "same crown to buy the Z10 as the S-4 necessarily", I'd at least like to know that it's a "damn good phone", with half a chance at success.
I'd like to hear from other folks who might have used both phones?
Good enough then...Will just be satisfied with the superior product for now; Still desirous of them "popularizing it for the masses" though!
Give it up Verizon b'tards! Any idea how long this color will be exclusive to Verizon? If I were BB, I'd make it available in more than 1-color! They need to work at "popularizing it again" and that means more colors, more trendy apps and more appeal to the masses again, imo! This good product if meant to be shared, not horded by corporate/gov. types, imo!
PS: Imagine the appeal if you could only get a BMW or Jaguar in one color?
SEC needs to "take-off-their-panties" and grow some balls! They'd better perform in Ringling Brothers than watch/monitor our Markets! What a "country-club set" those goons are! Rome burns and they are doing the 2-step! Geez!
Here's a list of appropriate terms: "The Wall-Street game", Haters-Short-Lobby, Sheep-Cliff, Lies-for-Self-Interest...........I'm sure many other terms are apropos here! Un-real how this song sings!
My personal position is and has been, that BBRY is not the super-strong seller here in the USA (yet anyhow) that it is in other parts of the world, where it is still "the device to have". The USA is all about "the herd"...but I also feel like there's a strong cadre of Rimm-afficianados, that will help sustain the brand here in the USA and even promote is mass-appeal again, once everyone figures out that the "I-phone isn't that cool any more", or tires of seeing everyone else and their brother with a large-screened Galaxy S4 My wife has the Galaxy S4 btw, and it is a nice phone, but mind you, these are different markets. IMO, and I've never owned a nice smart phone, but BBRY is for the "serious professional", who may have x2 or x3 phones, but has the BBRY as his/her "clutch, deal-maker, must-have device". Plus, someone alluded to being able to "see the screen in the sunlight"! Wow, finally a smart-phone maker "gets-it". I'm continuously frustrated with my Kyocera device, b/c I can't see the screen half the time! What kind of phone maker produces a product that is un-functional in sunlight? I need to break-down a get a real phone myself...and I usually am a big supporter of the Co. whose stock I invest (formally x4 subs to Sirius and one of its big promoters!) Now that T-mobile has done-away with contracts, I'll migrate over to them prob., with a new Z10...after I get a bit more use with my Kyocera Hydro! GLTUA! Best of luck to us guys...we deserve it! Go Grizz!
Wrap-up the gov./enterprise market Apple, and snuff-out any hint of Samsung gaining that ground, much less Microsoft! Put that cash to work, imo, beside borrowing for dividends!
How could Jeffries have it so wrong? That firm doesn't seem to see the "same doom-and-gloom" the other "short-firms" do! Wow!
You've got to wonder how anything can be "downgraded" so much. How could there be anything metric left to downgrade?
What are they saying this time? It is hated...and the "common crowd" doesn't understand the value in the OS, but we do, and others do. The best wins-out in the end...these are the same clowns how didn't buy Apple until it crested $500, and then got trapped at $600+, and thus, can't help but continue to sing the Apple-Praise Song! They are not real "investors", but crowd-herd-followers!
It's a big world out there, and if people are lining-up in England and Canada, to buy BBRY products, that should tell us something!
I hear you, understand now, thanks for clarifying! I kind of agree with the consensus of this thread, that other devices will be let-in, but the back-bone of BBRY's secure platform remains in place and preferred for any real, "secure communication needs"! That's kind of a natural evolution that is bound to take place, simply b/c of the changing nature of average employee needs, for tweeting and FB-ing! I don't believe the DOD will be using Android to communicate "much needed secure messages", but as others have said, maybe in the lunch-room and cafeteria, for tweeting and FB-ing, you can use a more secure version of iOS or Android!
Is the idea that since no other big enterprises has even remotely suggested a bid for this Co., now that they've turned a corner so to speak, with a new operating system, devices and world-wide anticipation and acceptance of their new products, is the concern that "if their enterprise, gov./corporate business" was so "strong-secure, so must-have and something lasting, that gives them a super-unique advantage" in this field, then why hasn't say a Microsoft seized this opportunity, to lock-up this important sector for itself, at the exclusion of fierce competitors? If Microsoft new they could lock-up the "enterprise, gov.-corporate contract market", at the exclusion of everyone else, buy purchasing, or attempting to purchase BBRY, they why haven't they? What a great platform for them to move-forward in their mobile endeavors, if they garnered such value by incorporating BBRY's unique, secure platform into their own stable of products and offerings?
BBRY getting no such bid, tells me that maybe, just maybe their gov/corporate secure e-mail market isn't so immune to coming competition...and it's not as if MSFT doesn't have a need to put their hordes of cash to work in such a way!
I'm a worry wort by nature, but seeing no bid from another company for what I consider to be BBRY's strongest feature/suite, tells me that maybe what we consider to be so strong and unique, isn't?
The one strong caveat as a long that I hang my hat on, is that worldwide popularity and sales of BBRY are strong and well-received...just not as much in the USA per se! And I believe there's a lasting place for this Co. going forward, but given new developments almost day-by-day, I haven't quire figured-out exactly where/where that place is...?