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arbtrdr 111 posts  |  Last Activity: 8 minutes ago Member since: Oct 16, 2000
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    The CEO of Ampio said wha

    by ri66 15 hours ago

    Actually I have spoken to Mike as well. Find him in and with a bit of time and he will speak with ANY investor!

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    Wow,we're getting clobbered

    by divikmi 7 hours ago
    arbtrdr arbtrdr 1 hour 57 minutes ago Flag

    Wow - we are down .22. If this bothers you suggest tyou definately need to invest elsewhere!

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    Which midstreams to avoid or sell?

    by clrodrick Nov 29, 2014 6:39 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr 2 hours 15 minutes ago Flag

    The problem with the Bakken is being far from industrial users and difficult weatehr for about 5 months a year. There are 5 pipes now under construction so rail will decrease. Bakken wels have high decline rate so volumes there will be interesting. As to Permian - Old oil basin with lots of infrastucture and pipes in place for years. Why pay $10bbl to ship wg]hen pipes are only about $3 from there.

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    APL May Opt Out

    by d_neely Dec 13, 2014 10:46 PM

    $122M breakup fee plus expenses - Definately not good.

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    North Sea Producers Hurting

    by skinz4q Dec 20, 2014 11:01 AM

    We are exporting mostly refined products at about a 1M bbl/day rate. Propane number one but also very large amounts of gasoline. The supply is decreasing and actually only about 2M bbl/day out of balance. Several of the smaller producers are cutting back and the North Sea production is falling as it is an older and costlier field to get new production. OPEC is only about 35-40% of production. There are indeed winners and that would include everyone in the USA who does not own directly of indirectly energy stocks. we are indeed consumers. guess the good news is americans are beginning for the last couple years to save a bit more $$. If interst rates moved up they might save even more. Is truly sad that the average family in their 60s has some 50K saved for retirement. Won't work very well.

    You are correct that investors in industry using enery will be the big recepient of $$ in the short run. Wonder how long this imbalance will last? At least of the world economy got going demands for Ethane and the ret would rise and EPD and others would make lots more $$.

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    North Sea Producers Hurting

    by skinz4q Dec 20, 2014 11:01 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Dec 21, 2014 9:12 AM Flag

    US oil is getting sold in the world market! The very light oil is being sold. Also is there any difference in our exporting oil and cutting our imports? We are not buying some 5M bbl/day we bought from Venezuea]la and middle east just a few years ago! Would love to know - Any difference on the end effect?

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    what is wrong with this one

    by luckkels Dec 19, 2014 11:25 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Dec 21, 2014 9:00 AM Flag

    Try not looking at just one day. Single day movements tell you little. Over the last 2 months oil and gas down 10-20% and some cases more!

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    Analysts and what they do and mean

    by nymarv10956 Dec 18, 2014 11:30 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Dec 19, 2014 11:30 AM Flag

    Marv - Lately the ansalyst numbers are pure nonsense. Agree in more stable times they make sense, but the E&P numers in last month silly. An great example in BBEP who was moved a couple days ago from an outpreform and a target in the $20s to a market preform and an $8 target. A day late and MANY dollars short. The problem with the headlines is similar to news reporting. The targets and ratings are a combination of computer generated and a ratio fixed by the broker on how many one can have in each category. The key as Marv alluded to is taking the time to listen to the cvalls, participate in asking questions to the company and reading the reports - there often IS good information in the report even if the target price is silly.

  • Northeast spot prices drop through the week. Due to colder weather and continued system maintenance at the start of the report week, prices at Algonquin Citygate (serving Boston), and Tennessee Zone 6 200L (Connecticut/New England) were elevated last Wednesday at just under $10/MMBtu. As temperatures moderated and maintenance was completed, prices at these locations fell through the week by approximately 50%, closing yesterday at $5.02/MMBtu and $4.82/MMBtu respectively. Prices at Transco Zone 6 NY (servicing New York City), also decreased after starting the week at an elevated level, falling 17% Wednesday-to-Wednesday.

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    Does anyone know

    by bigrgub Dec 19, 2014 10:40 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Dec 19, 2014 11:14 AM Flag

    You could look at their last presentation. Would guess little or nothing after 2015.

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    Repeat of an Old Scam

    by ed_brady Dec 16, 2014 10:28 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Dec 19, 2014 11:12 AM Flag

    ed - You have completely missed what is going on. The Saudis want Iran and Russia basically to get the $^% out of everybody elses business. The Saudis CAN effect the price but Russia is actually the biggest exporter! As to who is getting hurt - the intended targets of Russia and Iran probably the most along with Venezuela, Columbia, Mexico, Canada, nigeria, brazil, Argentina and the countries south of Russia.

    The "surplus" today is some 2M bbl/day. The world can store some 900M bbls. So an oversupply will indeed force down production. The cutrrent situation wil end up cutting some 2M bbl/day from some marginal places. Very little of that in the USA.

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    Now until rest of year

    by nymarv10956 Dec 16, 2014 1:22 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Dec 17, 2014 2:44 PM Flag

    I am pretty sure EPD quietly paid up and buried the $$ in a 10Q. That fiasco is behind them. EPD did not make any attempt at making amends in trying to deep six the ETP/Phillips Bakken oil pipe. Think that would will continue to fester.

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    Sold Today

    by blackcrow78888 Dec 15, 2014 3:19 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Dec 17, 2014 2:40 PM Flag

    Correct. Also EPD usually (except in a panic situation) has little correlation to oil prices. It does effectively trade of NG pricing and has msade a real niche it exports which are effected by neither. Understand taking profits. The first couple weeks in December also usually hit by lots of mom and pop sellers who bought a couple years ago and then got a surprise - a K-1. Are selling onw so not to receive in 2015. No idea how many for EPD but MWE some years ago (about 1/20 of market cap then) had over 10,000 individuals sell in December!

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    Now until rest of year

    by nymarv10956 Dec 16, 2014 1:22 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Dec 17, 2014 10:48 AM Flag

    Marv - The COXE post is exactly what several other have posted. SA is indeed trying to send a political message to Russia - it was delivered and economically it has pretty well decimated an already hurting economy. Got to remember Russia is #1 energy exporter. Interesting that with oil down the NG people like MWE hurt. NGLs down but only because price of natural gasoline tied to gas price. That will move up and down in tandem. Nothing has effectively changed for MWE. NOTHING. same for most of the other NG MLPs. Several posts by myself and others on IV MLP board.

    The big thing you have each year is about 10-20K sellers of fairly small lots of MWE. These are people who did not understand a MLP equals a k-1 and do not want another K-1 after the one for 2013. Happens each year. This year add on redemptions from CEFs and hedge fund sales alnog with general panic and you got down some 15% +/- for midstream and upstream destroyed. midstream that is olilier wil take longer to come back. Sure wish I were not fully invested.

    On another subject - oil production is going to drop by some 3M bbl/day becuase smaller producers with medium to high costs are getting killed. columbia for example down by 700K a day as thry say now worth pumping/selling.

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    by stockbugg Dec 4, 2014 11:41 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Dec 16, 2014 4:27 PM Flag

    You need lots more education. EEP pays no dividend - should have figured that out in your reading - and any distribution increased are done each quarter in Jan, Apr, july, sept. Absolutely positively do not buy EEP until you go to the National association of Publically Traded Partnerships and read MLPs 101 a Primer. Googling MLPs will get you confused. Googling GP wil get you to Georgia Pacific - not anything to do with EEP/Q

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    by govpur Dec 10, 2014 6:43 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Dec 16, 2014 11:59 AM Flag

    govpur - When EPD bought out its GP EPD earnings and price went down for almost a year. The buyout was dilutive to earnings for about 9 months. The buyout also only worked because the Duncan family owned almost 2/3 of the GP and were willing to take almost no premium to make the company as a whole stronger. Does that situation exist here?

    I agree that getting rid of the GP (lots of costs) as an economic entity would be good. Do not think right now the company cost stand the millions it would cost. MMP and MWE did it and they too had short term issues. Longer term it is a plus.

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    please explain

    by idror24 Dec 16, 2014 9:56 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Dec 16, 2014 11:54 AM Flag

    idror - Oil prices will effect those areas that have the lowest return. In the USA the Bakken has one of the highest costs (including transport to market) and drillers are likely to slow drilling if oil stays low. That is where lots of CMLP assets are located. If the cash flow is not sufficient they will cut distributions. Also there is panic and selling of ANYTHING energy related whether low oil prices will effect them or not. Several NG pricessors and exporters are down some 20-40%.

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    by govpur Dec 12, 2014 10:28 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Dec 16, 2014 11:49 AM Flag

    ETP already got a pipeline started. Complete in a year or two. EPD plan was probably something designed to tick off ETP as they hate each other.

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    Sold Today

    by blackcrow78888 Dec 15, 2014 3:19 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Dec 16, 2014 11:47 AM Flag

    blackcrow - Do you have any idea what percentage of EPDs business is related or exposed to the price of oil?

  • arbtrdr arbtrdr Dec 15, 2014 12:34 PM Flag

    Lets try Europe had $100 oil and $12NG and naptha was more expensive even then. Europe also had problem that most NG came from Russia and two shutdowns in last serveral years gave pause to changing to NG. Was told that the traditional 6 to 1 ratio was needed. Thus with NG at $3.75 oil would need to be in the $25 area AND stay there for naptha to be competitive. In Europe we are starting to ship LNG over for use and it is delivered at cost of about $8-10 landed.

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