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arbtrdr 113 posts  |  Last Activity: Apr 7, 2015 10:46 PM Member since: Oct 16, 2000
  • Reply to

    Numbers are in

    by nymarv10956 Feb 25, 2015 9:21 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 25, 2015 10:56 AM Flag

    The projected increase is from $3.60 to $3.70 being paid out. Thus .01 per quarter. This is a reduction from .25 increase to .10 for 2015.

  • Reply to

    Numbers are in

    by nymarv10956 Feb 25, 2015 9:21 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 25, 2015 9:59 AM Flag

    I would say they are good but guidance really not very exciting. The buyers in the market seem to disagree that pushing back bigger payouts till 2016 looks just fine. I would have hoped given the huge capex going into service on better guidance even with awful NGL pricing.

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    The NG picture as of this week

    by nymarv10956 Feb 20, 2015 9:59 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 23, 2015 9:06 AM Flag

    Marv - I have started to clean up my IV board by putting several who post articles w/o reading them or argue about E&Ps and their accounting on ignore. Quite happy with the basics and certainly wish some would give some thoughts and sometimes be wrong instead of wanting to simply post. There is an interesting discussion now about Philadelphia and tankers sitting off shore. No vclue as to why but do wonder why a cargo of Nigerian oil priced $10 bbl higher than Canada Rose or Bakken via train is in the mix. This looks like Nigeria is trying to buy its way into the market again.

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    Earning are out comments

    by diecutter75 Feb 18, 2015 8:42 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 19, 2015 2:48 PM Flag

    If ETP fails then ETE goes BK. Do you not understand that? ETE is slowly becoming a pure GP and ETP will get back some millions of units when it sells more of the SXL GP interest to ETE. ETP still has entire GP interest in SUN and SUN is going great guns.

    FWIW - I am long both ETE AND ETP.

  • Reply to

    Earning are out comments

    by diecutter75 Feb 18, 2015 8:42 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 19, 2015 8:55 AM Flag

    All depends on their guidance and comments on NGLs NG going forward.

  • arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 17, 2015 11:14 PM Flag

    The offer is .4066 shares of ETP plus 32 cents.

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    Paying Divi?

    by emac4909 Feb 13, 2015 4:54 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 17, 2015 11:13 PM Flag

    RGP pays a distribution. Very different from a dividend. Suggest you read up on MLPs at National Association of Publically Traded Partnerships webiste.

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    Tax Question

    by cfattore Feb 12, 2015 9:40 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 16, 2015 11:35 PM Flag

    Absolutely correct. The big problem is many holders did their own taxes without a program and have no idea about a passive loss carryforward. Also some are dealing with the consequences of having a negative capital account basis and taxes due for a prior year or years!

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    Tax Question

    by cfattore Feb 12, 2015 9:40 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 16, 2015 6:11 PM Flag

    Not correct. But, impossible to tell as you also have passive loss carryforwards that can offset at least a portion of the ordinary income. Need to look at last years return. Agree the cash should approximate your tax owed unless you have held for a long time. You probably need to read up on MLPs, though it is a bit late. KMP provided tax DEFERRAL, not exemption.

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    2015 dividend growth?

    by cbthemillion Feb 16, 2015 11:06 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 16, 2015 6:07 PM Flag

    One could certainly be hopeful, but interest rate pressures probably come into play requiring higher yields if and when rates go up. KMI should have a positive correlation of about .25 if past history is correct.

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    Latest CC from a mid stream company NGLS

    by nymarv10956 Feb 13, 2015 8:33 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 16, 2015 1:27 PM Flag

    What has always been interesting to me is that while a lot of MLPs have a history of climbing steadily, EPD has instead climbed a bunch in 6-9 months and then been pretty flat for the next year or two. I understand the second time this happened when they slowed their distribution and went to organic buildouts instead of acquisition as a general model but the picture has continued. No idea why.

    MWE has definitely had some lumps in not meeting guidance and now cutting it. The good news to me is if the simply slow down a bit they can drop some .30-.40 per unit to the bottom line. MWE and most of midstream IMO is in a hold and wait till 2017 or maybe late 2016. Got to have industrial demand for Ethane and that happens about then to put things in balance with lots more demand. Guess i'm happy to wait it out with both companies.

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    Latest CC from a mid stream company NGLS

    by nymarv10956 Feb 13, 2015 8:33 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 16, 2015 8:42 AM Flag

    EPD down about 10% from its high. MWE has moved still up but still down more than that. The issue is MWE only really a G&P. NO take or pay on pipes. Also MWE has given little info on its contract detials as to what happens if driller/producers fall short on volumes. With NGLs worth very little and ethane also not worth processing MWE has a very slow 2015/16 if the NGLS commetns were correct and I suspect they are. Producers appear that they will continue to dril but cut back and not connect (about 65% of well cost) and this wil leave MWE a bit high and dry until 2017.

    The market pendulum moves way too far in both directions. Producers went down as if getting ready for BK. Many but 2/3 or more. Yes they are up but VNR went from $33 to 12 - so is $18 good? Still down almost 50%. SAlso VNR had/has issues. Price went no where from 2011 thru 2014. Not good. FYI - do not own VNR - never have. VNR obviously healthier at $53 WTI than at $43 and dropping. NG prices are also continuing to drop and until we export LNG have small chance of recovery.

    MWE needs NGLs up to $1 and $3+ NG to prosper. Until then we continue to have distribution move slowly up \, but unit price stagnate. Combine that with Congreee looking at limits for step up on death and you have a not so good next 2 years for MLPs.

  • Reply to

    out of sync

    by merrickjaruna Feb 13, 2015 2:37 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 16, 2015 8:28 AM Flag

    My vote no as well, but probably good deal as we get rid of the Cohens! There is enough institutional owners to get approval.

    TPP - THe WPZ deal actually good for WPZ. The problem was WPZ had no growth or real hope of distribution increases. They have not covered and were not going to even wityh Geismer with NGL prices in the dumper. Merger provides for real increases going forward. ACMP is down because of the merger as much as WPZ (old and new). Not happy but think future now looks better.

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    ETP acquisition and JPEP

    by ivestors Feb 14, 2015 10:59 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 15, 2015 6:20 PM Flag

    SPAMMER. Report and ignore.

  • Reply to

    Latest CC from a mid stream company NGLS

    by nymarv10956 Feb 13, 2015 8:33 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 15, 2015 8:07 AM Flag

    He indicated they are seeing significant slowing by producers both in drilling and especially in completions. Worst in the Bakken and little change in Permian. Suggested NGL pricing low thru 2016. As Marv said very good and I think honset presentation. Also note Q4 results included some $10M in take or pay payments. They get these annually.

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    WMB HURTS ORIGINAL WPZ SHARE HOLDERS

    by samsir Feb 10, 2015 1:53 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 14, 2015 1:33 PM Flag

    EPD, ETP, MWE and most other midstream MLPs increased their distributions. Don't understand your thinking but that is OK. The reason for the combination was WPZ was not going to increase their distribution for about 3 years where in the merger we also got a bit of cash to offset the payout decline and the new WPZ wil increase its payout at about an 8% annual rate.

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    Dividend?

    by jimie14 Feb 13, 2015 4:26 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 14, 2015 1:29 PM Flag

    WPZ is a Master Limited Partnership and does NOT pay a dividend. It pays a distribution. VERYVERY different. Would suggest you go to national Association of Publically traded Partnerships and do some reading. You pay taxes using WPZ's K-1, not a 1099. Lots of other differences. You might not want to keep this OR you might want to add more. K-1s cost about $50 extra for a CPA. TTax handles them fine, but it is MUCH more complicated with recapture of depreciation on sale and other things.

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    Discount drip price

    by dar200 Feb 7, 2015 2:38 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 13, 2015 9:37 AM Flag

    skinz - FYI EPD price done the same as ETP - "The price for authorized but unissued common units purchased with reinvested distributions will be the average of the high and low trading prices of the common units on the New York Stock Exchange—Composite Transactions for the five trading days immediately preceding the investment date, less a discount ranging from 0% to 5%. The discount is initially set at 5%."

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    What's with the over-reacting volatility of EPD?

    by toolbag1223 Feb 11, 2015 11:55 AM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 12, 2015 11:07 PM Flag

    It is effected by volumes on NG and NGLs along with NGL pricing. Those are moving all over and EPD is moving up and down daily but net is about even. I do not even look at it unless a longer term trend.

    I note that trading MLPs is sort of scary as you get a K-1 and there can be some nasty suprises there. Remember EPD allocated to the partners monthly - not quarterly

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    WMB HURTS ORIGINAL WPZ SHARE HOLDERS

    by samsir Feb 10, 2015 1:53 PM
    arbtrdr arbtrdr Feb 11, 2015 4:01 PM Flag

    Your cost did not change. You paid$35400 for your original 700 shares. your cost basis moved over to the 606 you now have. SAME cost basis. As fin=shin said WPZ was going nowhere. With the combination you are likely to have good distribution increases going forward.

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