Omen, I'm on tours? How much more ridiculous can you be? Not much, I suspect. R&D? Oh, so the Palo Alto original production facility isn't large enough?
You guys are so hopelessly ignorant. LOL!
Machinists? LOL! Tesla needs machinists for.......... what??? I thought you folks have been touting "Less parts! Less parts!! The Fremont facility won't do............ because why???
Anyone ever been to Manteca? I have. It's a hole in the wall. Further, the "plant" is NOT a plant! It was a distribution center for parts for Chrysler. Anyone who thinks this is going to suddenly become a manufacturing facility is plain ignorant.
The Fremont plant is almost 90% empty! But then again, Tesla is feverishly building more lines in Fremont, right?
I've seen it all. I've read it all. These claims/forecasts are pure vapor. Not a lick of reality attached. Maybe one of you zealots could explain all this?
Crocster, in buying/leasing there are certain guarantees when it comes to longevity of engine performance. Tesla has certainly changed all of that! What's known is the battery most definitely WILL fail, rendering the vehicle 100% useless unless/until the owner/leasee replaces the battery. Therein is the conundrum. All this BS about battery prices dropping 30% yearly is pure vapor. The current cost to replace a Tesla battery is what, $35-$40,000? No one, regardless of financial standing, is going to pay that amount of money for basically, an engine.
IMO, consumers at the high end recognize the problem as US sales are coming to a standstill. Maybe China. Maybe not. Whatever the outcome, Tesla most certainly is unprepared to address the normal requirements of consumers, vis-a-vis, trade ins. In fact, Tesla won't even take in its OWN vehicles as trades. Completely absurd idea.
Crocster, like you, I have but one point. That is, price sells! I said this at least two years ago. Haven't changed my opinion. But in reality, customers, regardless of the price, want the best price. Buying a big ticket item does NOT change the dynamics, either.
Tesla is really attempting to have the best of all worlds in retailing and the poor results are finally showing. The process has a myriad of holes in it. Anyone in the auto business, or at least in big ticket retailing recognizes the problems. And you don't need to be a genius to see it.
Too many questions. Not enough answers. Practically speaking, it just doesn't work.
Spre, there are exactly two insider purchases this year, both by Struebel @$0. Either the info provided through the internet is a lie, OR you are!
I'll take the latter.
Dumpster, why don't you visit the Kelly blue Book site and find the values for a Tesla Roadster? Oh, there aren't any???? LOL!
You can't find UC values for the Roadster, pal. There is no book. Yet, you say they "hold their value well? Honestly, how lame-brained can you be?
Tesla paid the loan off...... how? It wasn't from profits.
Tesla has grown NOT through profits but rather stock offerings.
You use the very same reasoning methods a 5 year old would use.
Earneststeve, don't expect any answers. The best you'll get is a gutless thumbs down for your effort. The zealots won't debate. They won't talk about the business. They won't defend their positions. Instead, all you'll read about is what's "going to happen", or read some personal insult about you.
It does become quite irritating.
"it will happen.....It will come.... It will, it will, it will" Does Tesla ever do anything N-O-W??? Oh, wait!
It has debt..... now.
It has never produced a profitable year..... now.
It stands by as US sales take a nose dive..... now.
It watches as European sales lag on..... now.
The list goes on, doesn't it?
Once more, HOW does the charging station suddenly become profitable? You said this about the stations built in the US as well. What do you know that no one else knows?
As you posted, the state installs "profitable chargers"? Have you been able to explain what "profitable chargers" mean, EVER? Nope! You have no earthly idea, do you, Einstein? But I guess it sounds good.
Union made vehicle? You're comparing Tesla to GM? How idiotic is that? The two are not comparable in price at any level.
Obviously, you don't know a thing about Tesla, the business. But I like your little "Mediocrity and communism for all" diddy. It was cute. LOL!
Obama? If you desire, and I quote, ".... people who are risking money to identify themselves and post their thoughts..", you could begin by naming yourself. I have. Numbers of times. I have nothing to hide. All it takes is the 'nads to step out there. I have zero invested in Tesla. But I didn't know it was a prerequisite for posting on this board. Have the rules changed?
Keef, I said long ago Wall Street was rigged. My views haven't changed. I don't swim in that pool. But, I DO know the retail business. Tesla, the business, is NOT a good idea. Oh, it might stir the emotions of the zealots here. But these folks can't afford to buy the 4dr. So their opinions don't count. Moreover, They all act like they know all there is to know about retailing. They don't!
Dou_cme2003, while it might feel good to you, wishing financial harm to people just isn't ethical. Everyone here should be a big enough boy/girl to recognize the negatives attached to stock investing. Therefore, winning or losing is their own choice, just like the Vegas tables. It matters not if fortunes are won, or lost.
You or anyone else laughing isn't right.
Sygnetti, can you be any more logical? What exactly has Musk done in the way of retailing? Better yet, can you explain WHY he has yet to keep a sales chief longer than two years?
What has he done with Tesla, the business, only to continually maneuver
ways to continue getting cash for a business he can't control, or a market he can't succeed in?
I've said long ago the auto business is difficult. With zero retailing experience and a seeming penchant to run over sales chiefs, I find it difficult to understand how any of his ideas can possibly succeed. And so far, and aside from actually producing the 4dr, THEY HAVEN'T!
Oh, and are you capable of dialogue? Or is pushing the thumbs down button your idea of conversation?
Deep Capture? Is this what you think? To me, this all was fairly simple from the very first day I posted here:
A company has come up with an EV that seems to be reasonable coupled with a business plan with zero chance of success. Follow that up with multiple, multiple forecasts, proclamations, and hype that have yet to materialize. How difficult is it to see the holes in the plan? How difficult is it to see how the numbers needed to achieve the lofty goals couldn't possibly happen under the business process Tesla initiated? Moreover, how difficult is it to see how a revolving door policy exists for sales/marketing people? Regardless of the PR blabber about business being great, how is it that not a single sales chief has lasted more than two years within the organization?
Simply put, the outcome, IMO, was pre-ordained. For you, Dumpster_juice, to whine about the facts is silly. Maybe you should have debated with logic long before this?
You have a lot to learn, pal!
Truth hurts, doesn't it, Sygnetti?
Is "blathering" the new term for "telling the truth"?
Is your version of playground taunts considered to be reasoning?