With the science having been demonstrated and now achievable on a regular basis....ISO is here to stay whether bashers like it or not...
If you can help get this to beyond $11 you'll find out on the news at 6PM.
I must see it spike it through $11 before I'll take my clothes off and run around the neighborhood naked
SGYP's been bought for $4billion. any less and ho hum.
a backdrop of big pharma which is the main target during these red days. But noticed analysts are questioning whether it's already been too much of a pullback since the biotechs are just fine as they are. I'm sure 'shorts' have more than a little to do with the excessiveness of any pullbacks.
We'll do pretty well over rest of week but we've got this backdrop of a broad market sell off that will end as it usually does....just the luck of the draw as to when good news is introduced for a company that in normal markets will propel the PPS.
updraft coming. All shorts can do is wait and wait wondering when the executioner releases the gallows trap floor and they're hung in whatever size short position they have...they're the ones not sleeping well. Longs should be sleeping very restfully at this point.
what downgrade are you talking about??? did you happen to notice the broad market today?? are you oblivious to news and facts??
amazing how big of liars the 'shorts' are...now let's see if the liar (indiansfans407) can repost the exact same as before using the ID indiansfan (no s on the end) bashing SGYP....
He's got a reply for everyone..or reply via one of his other aliases....I picture him as a paid basher who's employed because of tax break given Employer for hiring a handicapped person...probably a paraplegic who's only ability is to move his fingers on a keyboard using a sour, sarcastic tone...afterall...he doesn't have anything else to live for.
or you could just be the toilet water I'm about to deliver a load to.......
I had shares below $1 back in 2008...look where it is now. if you were to read posts back then you'd find the same type of stuff Hawktim and other 'shorts' throw out today and yet.....look at PCYC's price now. I hope you hold your 'short' position Tim and SGYP does a repeat of a PCYC sort of thing....and analysts did not have any projections anywhere near $30 let alone the PPS PCYC is at now...
Sentiment: Strong Buy
That's right Bioknow....easy to blindside the 'short' as all he/she knows is the PPS but nothing about the company except for a little jibber jabber they may pick up along the way.
Sentiment: Strong Buy
you think is supposed to be on YOUR side....
Wednesday, 04/21/04 11:26:31 PM
Post # of 86
Market Maker Speaks Out:Ways of a Market Maker
I was an OTC MM for about 10 years ending in the late 80's. Since then I have been strictly an investor. Since I
have not been that up to date in MM rules I will only make statements that I feel fairly confident are still accurate
regarding these activities. By and large most MM don't have a clue nor do they care to learn, about the fundamentals
of the stocks they trade.
They just try to make orderly markets. When dealing with BB stocks it is very easy for a MM to get trapped into
being short in dealing in a fast moving market. Reason being; most of the MM's in this stock are what are called
"wholesalers" this means they don't have retail brokers "working" the stocks.
So they have to rely on what's known as the "call" from larger retail houses. If a "Big" retail firm like an E-trade calls
up a market maker to purchase say 5,000 shares of a stock, they expect to get an "execution" from that market
maker. If he turns them down, or only gives a partial then the "Big" firm will go to another MM.
If this second MM "fills the order" then that "Big" firm has a moral obligation to continue to give future "business" in
that stock to that MM who performed (his life blood). This will go on until he "fails" to perform and so on.
Contrary to popular opinion the "Big" firms Do NOT necessarily go to the "Low Offer" to fill a buy order (Or high bid
for a sell). They "Go" to who they think will perform to fill the order and expect that MM to "match" the "low offer" in
the case of a buy (bid in the case of a sell). Even though this MM might in fact be the "high bid" and not really want
to sell any more.
As a wholesaler he must perform or he will get a reputation as a "non-performer" with the "Big" houses and will cease
getting "calls" which means he will soon go out of business. I mentioned above that this activity is very significant to
BB stocks. I say this because most of the trades in these BB stocks are "unsolicited" and are done through discount
With the above groundwork laid, let me try to explain how market makers get short even if they like the Company;
Lets say that a stock (shell) has been lying quietly at $.25 bid $.50 offered. A limit order comes into one of the MM's
to Buy at $.50 for a thousand shares. Prior to this trade that MM may be "flat" (neither long or short any shares). He
fills the order and is now short 1,000 shares. He may raise his bid hoping to find a seller to "flatten" out his position.
But before he realizes it a wave of buyers have come in and cleared out all the $.50 offers. Now the stock is $.50 bid
.75 offered. Here comes that "Big" firm he just sold the 1,000 shares to at .50 with another bid for 1000 at .75. He
makes this print. Now he is short 2,000 at an average of .625. The market keeps moving and now its .75 bid 1.00
offered. Now he has to make a decision.
Just like investors, MM Hate to take a loss. So 9 times out of 10 he will now sell 2000 at 1.00 making him short 4000
but with an average .81. At this time he would love to see a seller at .75 so he can cover his short and make a few
But instead the market keeps moving up. Now it is 1.00 to 1.25 and here comes the buyer again at 1.25. He doesn't
want to lose the call so now he needs to sell 4,000 at 1.25 to keep his break even point above the bid. Now he is
short 8,000. Market moves up to 1.25 bid 1.50 offer here comes the buyer now he feels he must sell 8000 here
because "stocks don't go up forever".
Now he is short 16,000. And so on and so on. If the stock keeps moving up, before he realizes it he could be short
50k or 100k shares (depending how big his bank is). _________________________
Finally the market closes for the day and on paper he may look all right in that his "break even" price may be around
the closing price. But now he has to figure out how to entice sellers so he can cover this short. It is important to
note that if this happened to one MM it has probably happened to most all of them.
Some ways MM's entice sellers; Run the stock up with a "tight spread" in a fast market, then "open" up the spread to
slow down the buying interest. After it has "cooled off" for a little while lower the offer below the last trade right
after a small piece trades on the offer then tighten the spread so that the sellers feel they can take a "quick profit"
by "hitting the bid" on the tight spread.
Once the selling starts the MM's will walk it down quickly by only making small prints on the way down with the tight
spread. Another way is by running the stock up in the morning, averaging up their short then use the above
technique to walk it down in the afternoon.
Hopefully after doing this for several days, it will demoralize the buyers. The volume will dry up and the sellers will
materialize thinking that the game is over.
Contrary to popular opinion, MM usually Do Not Cover in Fast moving markets either Up or Down if they are short.
They Short More. They usually try to cover after the frenzy is out of the market. There are many other techniques
they use but the above are the most popular.
This technique works about 9 times out of 10 particularly in a BB market. However that is because 9 out of 10 BB
stocks are BS. Remember what I said above. Most MM's don't have a clue as to the value of a Company until they
get trapped. If the Company has solid fundamentals and a bright future. Then the stock will do very well. And the
activity that caused the situation will prove to even help the future stock activity because it created an audience."
Just food for thought
this year I'd say a strong spike occurs within SGYP's historical times of PPS surges. It usually occurs anywhere from March to late June....given the culmination of data that we were far from in past years....the spike this time should look like a tsunami to the 'shorts' as they look at the graph chart heading their way. JMHO
a lot of presentation activity between here and end of May....Looking at Prxl's post it looks to be a good time for SGYP to hit the 'shorts' with a good'ol one-two knockout punch.
Sentiment: Strong Buy