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barmy_madeoff 1757 posts  |  Last Activity: 23 hours ago Member since: Apr 6, 2009
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    Shorts about to get crushed.

    by freerideup Jun 29, 2015 9:45 AM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff 23 hours ago Flag

    Not sure the dividend will be focus of the earnings call. And I expect most of the shorts have done pretty well sor far. Their rush to the exits should benefit those of us who are long, but if they move quickly, most shorts won't be crushed. If anyone was stupid enough to short the stock below $50, they probably will deservedly get hurt badly.

  • Reply to

    Cut my hand...

    by freee2run Jun 26, 2015 11:44 AM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 29, 2015 1:18 AM Flag

    "but 30%+ short interest is quite a statement otherwise"

    It may not be a statement regarding the company fundamentals but a realization that this thinly traded stock is volatile and somewhat predictable in it swings in a wide trading range.

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    No More Excuses

    by watermalthops Jun 28, 2015 5:56 PM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 29, 2015 1:14 AM Flag

    There is a common belief that whenever a stock price goes down it can only be attributed to the nefarious shorts.
    But when you read comments about the company, even from those paid to do analysis, there is a remarkable lack of even superficial understanding of the it.

    Transports generally are down and anything oil or rail related is generally down. Coupling that with the Stifel downgrade (they seem to reverse their call on the stock monthly), a fair number of people have run for the exits. The percentage short hasn't changed that dramatically in the past week or two and this stock trades on a very thin daily volume, allowing day traders and algorithmic trading to profit.

    Those currently short, along with the day traders and computer driven trades will also contribute to a run up in price when fundamentals kick in. For a comparatively boring business the volatility is unexpectedly high, but volatility also creates opportunity for those that understand the business and don't assume the railroads are going out of business.

  • Reply to

    Cut my hand...

    by freee2run Jun 26, 2015 11:44 AM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 28, 2015 1:20 AM Flag

    "can remain irrational"
    They can also suddenly become rational or even irrationally exuberant.

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    Bad news must be on the horizon

    by appreciatethehelp Jun 26, 2015 12:41 PM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 26, 2015 10:30 PM Flag

    Yes, there is a major sell-off in the rails and the transport sector more broadly. The SN downgrade to "hold" for GBX added to the downward pressure. but there's no reason to assume this is a company-specific sell-off.

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    SHORTS

    by krcostel Jun 25, 2015 1:59 PM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 26, 2015 10:22 PM Flag

    'but right now there are clearly some very determined sellers"
    You seem to assume that those selling shares are all shorts. Obviously there was and is a substantial short interest, but that was largely establish when the price was much higher. At this point there still is, obviously, selling pressure, but it's highly unlikely that that is largely due to the establishment of new short positions. If nothing else, being able to borrow shares to sell short must be increasingly problematic with a nearly 33% short already.

    People who have long positions in the stock sometimes sell their shares. Whenever shares in a company sell off, those who are big fans of conspiracy theories assume that it's entirely the work of short sellers. While the greedier shorts may hope to milk some more out of this, I would expect that many of them are the ones who are buying on dips to cover their short positions and ... hopefully ... that will soon propel at least a partial recovery in the share price.

  • barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 26, 2015 9:46 PM Flag

    Yes, everyone knows the quote: “Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful,' but inevitably the majority do the opposite ... which is why it generally works well for the minority who are contrarians.

    I also thought this industry would appeal to Buffett especially with his purchase of Burlington Northern, but hard to say whether GBX or one of it's competitors would be the most appealing to him.

  • Reply to

    SHORTS

    by krcostel Jun 25, 2015 1:59 PM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 25, 2015 2:09 PM Flag

    I doubt there are that many shorts selling at this point. At $65 or $60, yes, but below $50 it would be increasingly risky with limited potential return and I doubt there are that many shares available for shorting.

    If anything, at these prices, the shorts will be covering before they get trapped at the exits.

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    Bottom?

    by kahnawa Jun 24, 2015 11:08 AM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 25, 2015 1:58 PM Flag

    ... and I expect that's one reason the stock is being driven down before to announcement. Whoever is buying in now should see a nice, quick gain.

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    Bottom?

    by kahnawa Jun 24, 2015 11:08 AM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 25, 2015 1:56 PM Flag

    Earnings might not have been a big catalyst if the stock was still at $60 to $65, but at $49 the earnings and guidance ought to cause something to happen.

  • Reply to

    Unbelievable

    by stlth_trdr Jun 25, 2015 10:13 AM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 25, 2015 1:52 PM Flag

    Hard to believe there are any sellers left at these prices.

  • Reply to

    WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??

    by luisgarces14 Jun 25, 2015 1:39 PM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 25, 2015 1:50 PM Flag

    It's amazing there's anyone left willing to sell. I would have thought the weak hands would have falling by the side by now. Hopefully capitulation is taking place and the only ones left will be more serious investors, unwilling to help out the shorts when they're trying to cover.

  • barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 25, 2015 12:26 AM Flag

    "The spin off is a done deal."
    Not exactly on a par with Nostradamus The devil will be in the details, not just that the deal is done.

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    spin off means what ?

    by jo45bot Jun 24, 2015 8:43 PM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 25, 2015 12:18 AM Flag

    Here's a little secret ... if you Google "Yahoo spin off" you'll be surprised at how much you will learn.

    A corporation creates a spinoff by distributing 100% of its ownership interest in that business unit as a stock dividend to existing shareholders. It can also offer its existing shareholders a discount to exchange their shares in the parent for shares of the spinoff. For example, an investor could exchange $100 of the parent’s stock for $110 of the spinoff’s stock.

  • Reply to

    SEEKING ALPHA

    by krcostel Jun 19, 2015 3:12 PM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 19, 2015 10:13 PM Flag

    And even in the Seeking Alpha article the author said:
    "Please note that because we're focusing on the tank car issue in particular, we'll leave out the many other positive tailwinds that we've covered elsewhere, such as the wheel repair business, growth in Brazil etc."

  • Reply to

    SEEKING ALPHA

    by krcostel Jun 19, 2015 3:12 PM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 19, 2015 10:11 PM Flag

    Yes, the Stifel analyst's call and the market reaction simply demonstrate that a lot of people who trade the stock know next to nothing about it. Hopefully more people will take the time to learn the facts and we get more shareholders who have a clue and are less likely to panic ... or someone who spots the absurdly priced stock and decides to take a stake in a large chunk of the company. Wouldn't be surprised if Stifel (once again) changes it's recommendation or, better yet, changes the analyst who covers the stock.

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    Was approaching fair value, now very undervalued

    by stlth_trdr Jun 17, 2015 11:13 AM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 17, 2015 12:00 PM Flag

    I think the common wisdom (he said sarcastically) is to give these "events" three days to get sorted out ... or at least begin to get sorted out.

  • Reply to

    Was approaching fair value, now very undervalued

    by stlth_trdr Jun 17, 2015 11:13 AM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 17, 2015 11:41 AM Flag

    Never assume Mr. Market is rational.

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    Snslyst

    by acouncell Jun 17, 2015 9:05 AM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 17, 2015 11:39 AM Flag

    Well apparently a boatload of shareholders were clueless about the company or its market. For him to bring up lower oil prices and possible fewer new orders a couple of years out as if the current situation is any different from what it was a month ago is a brainless thing to do. Did they even postulate a new price target? Even he must be a little surprised at the magnitude of the selloff. Wait for it, next week he upgrade it to a strong buy.

  • Reply to

    Snslyst

    by acouncell Jun 17, 2015 9:05 AM
    barmy_madeoff barmy_madeoff Jun 17, 2015 11:33 AM Flag

    If any Stifel clients followed the advice to "hold" they must be super pi$$ed as the analyst.

    The price action is totally ridiculous, but obviously some weak hands ( to say the least) ran for the exits.
    As I said in an earlier post, if you look at call options through to next January they haven't fallen that much. I was looking for some "cheap" calls to buy in Sept, Dec or January, but there weren't any real bargains awhile ago.

    Either the analyst was setting up something or others saw his call as an opportunity to manipulate the hell out of this stock price.

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