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bbandassoc 921 posts  |  Last Activity: Sep 20, 2014 7:34 AM Member since: May 31, 2011
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  • Adjusting AAPL's q112 iPhone units for 14 weeks brings them down from 37M to 34.4M in the prior year quarter for comparison purposes (13/14 * 37). If we just look at macro data, IDC says the smartphone market will grow 40% this past quarter. If true and AAPL maintained its market share, then, they should have sold 51.8M iPhones. However, both Kaptran and comScore suggest AAPL made significant market share gains since last year, especially in the U.S. market. Kaptran has U.S. market share up from 35.8% to 53.3% in the Sept. - Nov. 25 period. comScore has U.S. market share up from from 28.7% last November to 35% this November (a full month for both 4S last year and 5 this year). Market share in Europe was also up modestly and the iPhone 5 was launched in 101 countries this year, including China, whereas the iPhone 4s was only launched in 70 and not in Asia, except Japan.

    Perhaps IDC is wrong about market growth and/or Kaptran and comScore are wrong about AAPL gaining market share, but if we just take the publicly available data at face value, it would suggest iPhone sales should be 51.8M plus whatever market share gains are assigned to it.

    Other factors to consider are 1) the initial iPhone 5 launch was the end of last quarter, so the early bolus of sales were recognized last period whereas the 4S was launched late October 2011, yet the 5 has been available an entire quarter and the 4 probably sold little in the first 3 weeks of October last year awaiting the 4s launch, 2) China sold 2M iPhone 5s in their initial weekend and had 2 additional weeks of sales as well as whatever was realized in the additional 30 countries that the iPhone 4S didn't reach last year, and 3) WMT and Best Buy discounted iPhone 5's (at their own cost to drive foot traffic) while everyone was discounting 4 and 4S (presumably at AAPL's cost based on Cook call comments) to drive additional demand this holiday season.

    All combined, it's just very difficult to see how they miss the 47M to 49M unit forecast of analysts this period.

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

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    by pnorbe_1999 Sep 22, 2013 7:12 PM
    bbandassoc bbandassoc Sep 22, 2013 8:08 PM Flag

    I would guess Barry and Kaiser are now in the waiting mode. On the substantive issues of whether LINE's distribution and ability to grow through acquisitions are in jeopardy, it would appear from the S-4 filing (and the additional acquisition announcement) that neither are in jeopardy. In fact, it would appear the ability to cover the distribution is enhanced by the new language and the newly announced acquisition. So, while Barry and Kaiser could perhaps pound their chests about being right on a few of the finer technical accounting points, on the substantive issues that shareholders care about and that will effect LINE valuation, they appear to have been dead wrong at the moment. Only time will tell as this entire saga plays out.

  • bbandassoc by bbandassoc Sep 19, 2013 1:08 PM Flag

    In my view as a former CEO of a public company having dealt with government agencies, it appears to me that the Company has accepted a lot of things that have no material effect on their business to satisfy and agency that wanted a pound of flesh. I say this knowing Raymond James said the changes would have no impact on the distribution (and they must have confirmed this with management before saying it publicly). I also say this because if the distribution were in jeopardy, they would not even bother to try to proceed with the BRY deal. IMO, when Goldman and others come out supporting the idea that these changes to language are not material and do not impact the distribution, the stock will return to where it was a couple of days ago and head towards the low $30's again.

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    by jeddiemack Jan 6, 2014 1:46 PM
    bbandassoc bbandassoc Jan 6, 2014 4:19 PM Flag

    Highly unlikely. You would have to prove they knowingly lied to manipulate the stock price. Their defense would be that they didn't knowingly lie, but rather that they are just plain stupid. I think Barry at Barron's and both McCollough and Kaiser at Hedgeye would win hands down on a stupidity defense.

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    Class Action Lawsuit Dismissed

    by chris.trendle Jul 9, 2014 7:29 AM
    bbandassoc bbandassoc Jul 9, 2014 8:09 AM Flag

    No surprise here. They sue just because the stock dropped on an SEC inquiry. It's a race to see who gets to represent the class, should one ever be awarded. When it turns out the SEC doesn't come up with anything, there is no longer a basis for the suit. The attorneys were just going for a settlement anyway and hoped never to find themselves in an actual suit that cost them time and money. I wish we would have some reforms that forced those making these frivolous suits pay when they lose. It would greatly reduce the taxpayer expense for such waste.

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    Seeking article suggest S-4 NO problems

    by sarah32604 Sep 20, 2013 7:30 AM
    bbandassoc bbandassoc Sep 20, 2013 8:23 AM Flag

    I don't give much credence to these SA articles, but I do expect the Raymond James analyst knows what he is doing when he claims the distribution is safe with the new approach to calculating it. Someone else suggested on this board that Goldman Sachs has concluded the same thing, though I have yet to find that one. GLTA

  • bbandassoc bbandassoc Nov 4, 2013 8:15 PM Flag

    No doubt, the incremental dilution of the higher bid for the combined company is about 8%. So, if you had hoped to recognize $40 per share in the near-term, you may want to reset your sites to $36.80. But, I would argue that this management team has delivered year after year and none of us know the facts they considered in upping the bid, so we should give them the benefit of the doubt. For example, I doubt they had other meaningful acquisition alternatives. Anything significant would have required equity and no one would want to talk to them when they were subject to an SEC inquiry. With BRY under their belt and the SEC inquiry behind them (if it is), then, they are primed to pursue their strategy of making accretive acquisitions that allow them to raise their distribution, even if the BRY deal ends up taking one step back for two steps forward.

  • bbandassoc by bbandassoc Oct 28, 2013 5:00 PM Flag

    While I was hopeful we would hear the S-4/A had been made effective, the results are quite impressive on their own. Obviously, news that they covered the distribution in the period, expect an even stronger next period, and plan to close the one outstanding acquisition by end of month are all very positive. The reference to a 6th S-4 amendment is likely just to add the results from the quarter, as they must do. GLTA

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    Just how Looong??

    by gardnergallery Jul 9, 2014 1:55 AM
    bbandassoc bbandassoc Jul 9, 2014 6:51 AM Flag

    I hold nearly 200K units in various accounts. Having purchased my position last summer on the fall, I am very pleased with management. While they perhaps got overly aggressive with put accounting and set themselves up for the bear attack, it was the bear attack with the resulting SEC inquiry that spoiled the BRY deal. Since that time, they have done the right things with the cards they hold IMO and the environment remains constructive (high commodity prices, low interest rates, plenty of acquisition targets) for them to implement their strategy. I suspect we will see your $35 to $37 objective this year. However, to get back to $42, it will likely take an increase in the distribution and a general expectation that further increases will continue in the future. I just don't see this stock trading at less than an 8% distribution rate. An 8% distribution today would be a stock price of $36.25, so that may be a cap without further distribution increases or other materially favorable news, but that's quite a bit higher than we are today. GL

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    by mktqqq Dec 13, 2013 4:37 PM
    bbandassoc bbandassoc Dec 13, 2013 5:45 PM Flag

    I have never been good at predicting where a stock will go short-term, but this one is likely to go up nicely over time and continue to deliver its healthy monthly distribution along the way.

  • Out this morning. No price target provided by FlyOnTheWall. I presume this means they feel the same about LINE since they are pretty much one in the same.

  • bbandassoc by bbandassoc Jan 14, 2014 4:45 PM Flag

    Received my electronic proxies today and enjoyed voting my shares against Icahn's proposal. He already made himself look foolish by demanding $150B and then asking for $50B when the rubber met the road. He should have stopped there, but he just couldn't help himself but to look like an even bigger fool by have shareholders publicly flog his recommendation with a no vote.

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    Cramer Misreprepresented

    by jimygibb Mar 12, 2014 2:32 PM
    bbandassoc bbandassoc Mar 12, 2014 2:45 PM Flag

    Cramer has been all over the map. He's too emotional with his investments for my taste. He touted LINE as a very well managed business when he started buying. Now, he is selling it because he says they are poorly managed. If he makes money, he makes up reasons why he was right. And, when he loses money, he makes up reasons why it wasn't his fault. It's just how he rolls. I like the 10%+ distribution at this level and will continue to add if it goes lower. Once they start getting the BRY deal synergies figured out, the stock should do just fine.

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    dividend reduction

    by lknapp08 Jul 8, 2013 4:16 PM
    bbandassoc bbandassoc Jul 8, 2013 4:18 PM Flag

    No reduction. Just being paid monthly now v. quarterly.

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    Should You Join One of The Class Action Lawsuits

    by rlp2451 Jul 13, 2013 8:07 AM
    bbandassoc bbandassoc Jul 14, 2013 6:40 AM Flag

    You have never received a dime because the attorneys are truly in this for a quick settlement. Usually, the law firm demands that the Company change some wording in their disclosures to make it all look like the suit achieved something so the judge will approve a fee. It truly is a scam that costs shareholders money.

  • Solid report following a weak past period. However, people selling news will dominate this morning. Buyers will wait to hear call. Let's face it, why buy before? We are ex-dividend today, so no hurry there. Some important insight could be gained by the call. Personally, I think we start trading up as the call approaches and selling subsides. Then, it all depends on what they say.

    Assuming those on this board like dividends, I would suggest you look at the VALE report this morning. The headline re: EPS is very misleading. Underlying results were very strong and guidance suggests a stronger back half of year. Stock has been slammed in recent months. Just a thought for anyone interested.

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    Cramer Charitable Trust

    by rlp2451 Sep 27, 2013 6:38 PM
    bbandassoc bbandassoc Sep 27, 2013 10:02 PM Flag

    Wow. Did he really say that because it is does not represent at all what he is telling his Action Alerts subscribers. What he is telling them is that he is being disciplined in not owning a company with SEC issues, but he believes their assets are worth $40 per share (so they are cheap) and he believes the recent S-4 filing suggests the BRY deal will get done.

  • bbandassoc bbandassoc Dec 16, 2012 9:56 PM Flag

    The big funds who are going to dictate the direction of the stock do their own research. As such, they have the same two questions everyone else should have based on the news flow. First, to what extent do the China sales results, in combination with their other information, give them confidence AAPL will beat estimates for Q1 and the magnitude of that beat? And second, to what extent should they be concerned about the reported reductions in Apple orders for parts from suppliers? In my mind, the 2M China units certainly help build on the idea that AAPL will deliver big in Q1. However, I haven't seen any information to help figure out whether Apple has truly cut future build orders or, if they did, why and what impact on forecasts should it have? If this second question can be resolved favorably, we break out IMO. If not, maybe the China data stops the bleeding and gives us a little bounce until the second question is answered. I am delighted Cook came out tonight and made it a point to announce the China data. I view it as his way of saying, "look, enough is enough. Things are just fine. Don't worry."

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • If the likes of Cooperman can rally a few of their buddies into taking a shine to this situation, they can squash Hedgeye and their cronies like a bug. There is simply no way the shorts have the financial resources to play the game here, if the big boys go long.

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    What will happen tomorrow?

    by rohankrishna95 Sep 11, 2013 5:56 PM
    bbandassoc bbandassoc Sep 11, 2013 6:12 PM Flag

    I would think we would wake up to updates from one or more analysts. And, since the "credible" analysts have all remained constructive even during this period of adversity, I would think they would be highly motivated to gloat a bit and be very positive supporting a continuation in the stock price. So, I would think the stock goes up to the low $30's from here, whether tomorrow or next week once people have had a chance to absorb the new information and re-run their models.

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