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bbarberayr 5 posts  |  Last Activity: 18 hours ago Member since: Feb 26, 2007
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    by dsouth7777 Feb 5, 2016 2:20 PM
    bbarberayr bbarberayr 18 hours ago Flag

    The big difference is AEL and NWLI are life insurers, where MKL and WTM are P&C insurers.

    The stock market has been continually worried about the life insurers since the financial crisis due to their long time period of liabilities and corresponding investments, whereas the P&C insurer valuation has rebounded nicely as it is a simpler business with shorter term funding requirements and the ability to adjust premiums yearly as conditions change.

    All lifeco's from the the big MET, PRU, MFC are valued cheaply, so it is not just a small company thing, but an industry concern. If rates stay low for 20 years like they have in Japan, there could be some serious issues for some of the life companies.

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    I bought shares today at 1.70.

    by warr_buffet Jan 9, 2016 3:28 AM
    bbarberayr bbarberayr Jan 21, 2016 4:01 PM Flag

    It's not the company that's an issue. it's the market and the China factor. I think at this price and value, it is hard to go wrong, but I would keep it a fairly small part of your portfolio as part of normal risk management.

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    by dsouth7777 Jan 4, 2016 4:30 PM
    bbarberayr bbarberayr Jan 6, 2016 2:03 PM Flag

    What's the issue with KCLI? Were at $4. Announced a buyout of small shareholders and stock jumped to $47. Stock got over $50 as buyout approached (buyout was for $52.50). Buyout ended and stock moved to OTC Market, so has fallen back past $44 to $37.

    Book value is around $70 and they have a good dividend.

    Could be a good buy - probably temporary pressures of selling after the buyback and over market weakness causing problems.

    Personally, I think NWLI is a better run company and it does use more conservative accounting, but KCLI is fine too.

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    by dsouth7777 Jan 6, 2016 11:18 AM
    bbarberayr bbarberayr Jan 6, 2016 1:59 PM Flag

    I'm guessing it is interest rate fears and perhaps some forced selling. Other lifeco's like MET, MFC also having a tough time.

  • bbarberayr by bbarberayr Dec 14, 2015 4:24 PM Flag

    SC filing out - all targets are sales and expense based.

    No bonus for improving stock price, which would have been nice to see.

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