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bellbell63 412 posts  |  Last Activity: 3 hours ago Member since: Apr 25, 1999
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    PD and SA ETF

    by bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 9:25 AM
    bellbell63 bellbell63 3 hours ago Flag

    Just an observation:
    Neither SA ETF added any oz last week. And PD prices (coincidently?) were flat for the week. I know correlation does not mean causality but....

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    22 MILLION SHORT,, over 1 million increase

    by au_unhedged Jul 11, 2014 11:21 AM
    bellbell63 bellbell63 14 hours ago Flag

    They're back!!!!!

    "Cold fusion" or LENR or whatever you call it won't affect PD at all. Very little PD needed,
    Only about 2,304,745 PD atoms needed to power a city the size of Columbus Ohio.

    True details at:

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    $.37 next Week Probably for PAL's Run. Target $.90.

    by ml4999 Jul 11, 2014 11:41 AM
    bellbell63 bellbell63 21 hours ago Flag

    My estimate -.03 to -.04. Was -.05 but more shares will make it look "better".
    Yes, watch TPD very closely. If they are to reach their guidance of 5000TPD by EOY I would expect to see Q2 rise somewhat from Q1 3050TPD,maybe to 3500TPD.
    I don't look at cash cost because it omits too much - like over $100/oz interest, G/A, etc.
    Hope they start to publish all-in costs and all-in sustaining costs.

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    Okay, so target is $7. Question: When?

    by cautiousbutoptimystic Jul 11, 2014 12:41 PM
    bellbell63 bellbell63 22 hours ago Flag

    "and got my cost basis down below $5 and then in a .."

    That implies your cost basis is well over five. What sort of investor, trader or speculator will allow themselves to take (at least) a 50% loss? Looking back from $10 in a few months? That would be a 300% increase. You are in deep denial. Just admit you bought the wrong stock at the wrong time and held too long. That's what stops are for, to take the emotion out of it, On a stock like MCP , my loss limit is 15%, let Uncle Sam pay for part of the loss and move on.

  • bellbell63 by bellbell63 22 hours ago Flag

    If AMNF sticks to their pattern, Q2 report should be next Thurs 7/17

  • bellbell63 bellbell63 23 hours ago Flag

    Shorts do the same thing longs do. Buy low,sell high - just they do it in the reverse order.
    They have as much right to try and profit on a downdraft as do longs on an updraft.

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    BAM loan Agreement

    by bellbell63 Jul 11, 2014 10:55 AM
    bellbell63 bellbell63 Jul 11, 2014 12:19 PM Flag

    Of course they are not happy but they had no choice then and have no choice now.

  • bellbell63 by bellbell63 Jul 11, 2014 10:55 AM Flag

    I have a complete copy of the loan agreement in .PDF form. It is 124 pgs. Due to the complexity I cannot answer any questions you might have but I can e-mail you a copy if you supply e-mail address.

    Couple of things that are clear:

    Prepayment fee is all the interest that would have been earned by BAM until maturity (2017). So at 15% paying now (3 years early) would add 45% to the principle amount being repaid.

    Total outstanding balance ( + prepayment fee) is due upon any change of control of PAL.

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    PD and SA ETF

    by bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 9:25 AM
    bellbell63 bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 4:55 PM Flag

    "Their recent insider buying, though not huge, was a refreshing change to me."
    They have (a new?) policy that execs (and BOD members?) have skin in the game to the tune of $150,000. That may account for some of the buying.

    As far as SWC BOD attitude to a buyout, guess it depends on who and at what price. PAL buyout would have to be some sort of structured buyout with BAM a central player and IMO stockholders getting little. Take a look at what is happening to MCP.

    As for ore formation, PAL narrow/deep is a real problem. Going down costs much time and money. The 5 year life of mine is also worrisome. That implies substantial capex every year to keep mine going beyond 5 years. By comparison SWC LOM is more than 25 years. That means they are not under the capex gun, they can concentrate on cost cutting and mining efficiency. Next Q2 reports and cc from both will be interesting and revealing.

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    PD and SA ETF

    by bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 9:25 AM
    bellbell63 bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 2:52 PM Flag

    The last time PD ran to 850 (6/11) buyers had to wait 3 years to get back. And and that it took an alignment of the planets (SA,Russia,ETFs) to do it. Two of those planets (SA,Russia) seem to be drifting a little so I'm just urging a bit of caution here.

    SWC still an accumulate but I wouldn't touch PAL even for trading. IMO the Q2 report will be the straw that breaks the impatient camel's back. Continued losses , no real sign of long promised shaft production ramp up and possible talk of needed a financing to get PAL to the "next level". Even the faithful may finally decide this emperor has no clothes.

    What do you think of SWC being a takeover by some gold or other miners wishing to diversify int PGMs? Not many choices for the buyer - I wouldn't touch SA mines, next largest is Zimabawe, then SWC. Forget Russia and PAL. Would SWC be too small for a big (BHP, Glencore) miner to bother with? BTW board member of SWC also on Glencore/Xstrata board.

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    PD and SA ETF

    by bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 9:25 AM
    bellbell63 bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 1:55 PM Flag

    I agree - SWC will do very well at these prices. Just one thing about upcoming Q2 report, they did mention a one time charge of about 4M think due to layoffs and maybe more if some additional employees take a severance package. Should be noted as a non-recurring item though on report.

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    Loan prepayment penalties

    by palbankrupt Jul 9, 2014 11:36 AM
    bellbell63 bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 1:21 PM Flag

    A Q2 production update would be nice, especially since the last word was still "ore handling problems continue..."

  • bellbell63 bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 12:42 PM Flag

    First it i snot manipulation. Phys backed ETF buy and sell Pd only upon instruction from investors whou want to buy new shares or liquidate old share. And yes , I am claiming exactly that.

    PD on Jan 21 2011 $858
    PD on Sep 30 2011 $614.
    Do you think the global macros supply demand oicture chabnged that much in 9 months. No, it was 400Koz of above ground Pd sold into the market.

    Think of it, 900Koz held by SA ETF is about 12% of annual mined output bought since March. That is a huge market distortion and can be reversed at any time by investors who feel the run is over.

  • bellbell63 bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 12:29 PM Flag

    "Any such paper event would not change the actual demand for palladium."
    That is not a paper transaction. These are physical backed ETf's is real physical platinum being sold into the market or delivered to endusers - that is the same as increasing supply just as their buying decreased supply.

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    brankruptcy is not an option heres why

    by enuoghofit Jul 10, 2014 10:03 AM
    bellbell63 bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 11:09 AM Flag

    Tells me mgt is as inept as investors are they are in mine mgt.

  • bellbell63 bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 11:02 AM Flag

    "You consider an $8 pullback in palladium a serious decline "
    Never called it a serious decline. A serious decline can be when the 900Koz of SA ETF investors decide to exit. That happened when PALL liquidated 600K, drove the price from 850 to 650.

  • bellbell63 bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 10:45 AM Flag

    "The overall context here is the skyrocketing increase of palladium demand "
    Disagree. The overall context here is the SA ETFs taking 900Koz out of the market. That 900Koz above ground Pd (no mining needed) can be returned in a blink to the market if investor sentiment changes.

  • bellbell63 bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 9:29 AM Flag

    "with Palladium prices skyrocketing. "
    ???? Down $8 at the moment.

    FYI: Pan, you are replying to a mindless computer generated post.

  • bellbell63 by bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 9:25 AM Flag

    SA ETF's have slowed purchases and PD price stalls also.

    I am convinced that this run-up wa almost entirely due to ETFs and not due to any fundamental changes.
    You can't take 900K+ oz out of a 6Moz market and not cause severe distortions. Same thing happened when PALL swept up 1.2Moz and ran the rpice up to 850 which then collapsed when PALL liquidated down to 600Koz.

    A word of caution - this 900Koz above ground (no mining needed!!!) can quickly be returned to the market with any change in investment sentiment.

  • bellbell63 bellbell63 Jul 10, 2014 9:10 AM Flag

    Better than +.15 of Q1 2008? Be bullish but do some dd.

    In the last 40 quarters PAL has been positive for only 6.
    They have not had a profitiable full year for at least 8 years/ The say they are transitioning to become a mid-tier miner. The record shows they are still a junior miner - making money not by producing but by issuing stock and getting loans. My est for Q2 -.03 to -.04 Would have been -.05 but increased shares make it look lower.

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