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billwilson1804 27 posts  |  Last Activity: Dec 18, 2014 4:12 PM Member since: Oct 5, 2007
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    by billwilson1804 Dec 17, 2014 10:55 AM billwilson1804 Dec 18, 2014 4:12 PM Flag

    Seems not everyone knows what happened. Even with Solyndra the government did very well and is making a good return. Start ups have a high mortality rate so to single out Solyndra started and backed under Republicans continues to be like denial of global warming or a wrong position and irrational. Independent venture capital firms have confirmed the government did very well and showed massively increase the funding.

  • by billwilson1804 Dec 17, 2014 10:55 AM Flag

    Just my opinion but letting W. Street run their own show with little to no oversight by the Pres. or a viable SEC has destroyed the free flow of capital that could make solar the clear winner for a better world of investing in where we need to go.

    Instead the market makers and insiders on W. Street are favoring every large cap growth story from U.S. and destroying, taking dark, small cap ones from China. Examples are CPQQ and many others where cash far exceeded the stock price, profitable, doing great things for the alternative energy sector etc. etc. Favoring large cap energy like traditional Fossil fuels is just more corporate socialism that makes investing not a viable endeavor for ethical and socially valuable focused investors. Reason this is not taken dark is there are enough people that would demand hearings. jmo.

  • billwilson1804 Dec 12, 2014 9:16 PM Flag

    Sure would be nice to see kmi pump water not tarsands.

  • by billwilson1804 Dec 11, 2014 9:16 PM Flag

    I know many people have ira's/401k's etc. that they can't control and have lots of fossil fuel related companies. Considering they also have grandchildren and they are asking questions about the ethics of investing in their own destruction it seems our government should help the elderly making 0% interest avoid the W.Street ballon pumping of companies like this. After all once this drope 30 or more percent how many years of dividends are likely to flow from an overleveraged company in debt both to others and society?

  • billwilson1804 Dec 4, 2014 1:08 PM Flag

    Is the industry prematurely trying to snap back after shakeout? Seems corruption of W. Street has no end.

  • Most are forced through 10k's, funds, IRA's and just the manipulated supply/demand of oil stocks to buy and hold long wether they know it or not. Yet more know it and are asking for some discrimination to reward companies that are ethical and socially valuable. Oil today like tarsands that even W. Buffet bought into are destroying our environment near and long term and that means our markets have to start allowing rewards for people not willing to invest in their own demise. Solar and wind could be a win win win while today's increasingly dirty carbon is only a potential win/loss/loss. Bee More Use less carbon and Divest.

  • billwilson1804 Dec 1, 2014 10:59 AM Flag

    Can you please articulate where you disagree and why?

  • billwilson1804 Nov 29, 2014 12:12 PM Flag

    Do you keep your eye on the whole in the donute as you go through life too/

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    Keystone is no sure thing

    by dipsydoddle Nov 19, 2014 7:46 PM billwilson1804 Nov 28, 2014 7:30 PM Flag

    Each day the corruption and connections to overwhelming harm exposes tarsands as many more times best left in place or in the ground.

  • billwilson1804 Nov 28, 2014 4:58 PM Flag

    It is not the smart money first out the door these days. From inside information to market maker/W. Street manipulation they seem to make out like bandits while even our kids will have to clean up the mess if possible.

  • Many decades of trying to invest in ethical and socially valuable companies has kept me focused on the idea of sharing success which means naked shorting, options, hit pieces, pump and dump schemes, government corruption, tax evasion schemes, and growth at all costs means looking for companies that as many as possible can profit by while improving society. This all begs to move away from carbon growth and the divide and rule the newest endeavors depend on like never before.

    Going after the dirtiest and one of largest pools of most harmful carbon of tarsands in Alberta depends on the above and simply means war on ourselves. It means everyone has to take a long position wether they know it or not through destroyed shared atmosphere and environment and destroyed health. That means the shrudest of the shrude here will be using the endless tactics to corrupt the markets and government during this final push of profits at all costs. After selling their shares short or just trying to keep market makers funeling retired peoles money in hope of some dividends in contrast to 0 earnings on money funds etc. it could be ending.

    Seems KMI depends on Nat. Gas so it gives a little more time to many of the willing honest investors to move out and into the alternatives and efficiencies. The fake drop in prices will fuel more fake demand and then once the largest of large players decide to again capture the up move in prices people will speed the exit door from oil. Just hope long investors stay ahead of the manipulators looking for golden parachuets and divest with many of us and as many as possible join the real long term trend of alternatives etc. That is a win win win not the divide and rule manipulations not sustainable as more realize their forced positions is a loss-loss-loss. Betting against ourselves and selling our children short is no longer an option so KeystoneXL or one to the Canadian coast is the biggest boondoggle of all times even despite pump & dump.

  • by billwilson1804 Nov 27, 2014 9:14 PM Flag

    I do not and do not believe in selling short or options. I hope people understand the warnings or same sirens the President is hearing can't forever result in shell games of moving tarsands out of Canada. The real costs of destroyed lives and environment are just to high and depend on government corruption that has to end not like tobaco but a divorce. Considering most American's are forced to take a long positon in tarsands related companies like KMP/KMI through their 401k's and even the paying of the real costs from destroyed health and enviornment and then global warming it just all becomes to intolerable.

    Like Enron and Madoff and selling America short 30 or 40 to one by the banks once people understand their forced positions they will not think highly of the short positions key insiders are likely taking here while pumping the stock. I would hope any honest investor would research the events in Burnabay and growing efforts to keep tarsands in the ground to make all of us longs suffer less when the balloons start popping. If not then at least you will know you are selling our chilldren's future out.

  • billwilson1804 Nov 26, 2014 1:36 PM Flag

    Just keep blowing the ballons the party hasn't started yet. And while this company invites us all to take part in the rape and pillage for tarsands don't expect much in the line of presents.

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    Mercenary investing

    by billwilson1804 Nov 21, 2014 1:22 PM billwilson1804 Nov 26, 2014 1:34 PM Flag

    I am very confident you or likely your children will be amazed when after years of impressing on God's waiter's the bill for it all he hands them the bill.

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    Mercenary investing

    by billwilson1804 Nov 21, 2014 1:22 PM billwilson1804 Nov 26, 2014 1:30 PM Flag

    I just think it would be an alternative if jobs were the concern or need. Considering the new study about plastics in Great Lakes being unable to be removed by water filtration many people are drinking plastics and don't yet know it even from being added to soaps when sand would be a great no cost alternative. You can google study on this. So we can go long way with alternatives even for simple things but most know we need cooperation, the same thing that raised us from the jungle floor not the new PR firms pushing astroturf campaigns making environmentalists the bad guys.

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    Mercenary investing

    by billwilson1804 Nov 21, 2014 1:22 PM billwilson1804 Nov 26, 2014 1:24 PM Flag

    Please start an new topic on what I do above and i will be glad to respond.

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    Mercenary investing

    by billwilson1804 Nov 21, 2014 1:22 PM billwilson1804 Nov 26, 2014 1:24 PM Flag

    Thanks for the suggestion. Going away is not too much of an option like selling our children short or even the option of fight or flight as M Brown shows once again. Bee More-Use Less and Divest.

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    Mercenary investing

    by billwilson1804 Nov 21, 2014 1:22 PM billwilson1804 Nov 26, 2014 1:21 PM Flag

    We use more each year and now up to 40 billion tonnes a year and growing. Last 5 decades we have watched the endless shell games of not on my watch by Presidents to the alternatives are not here yet but someday, and the reality of making Drill Baby Drill become All Of The Above and quickly turning into Burn Baby Burn. From gut the government efforts to now silencing of scientists and doctors the decades are giving way to more promises of deaces more to sustain dividends not the move away and toward what is already waiting.

    Like independent studies for Keystone and other pipe schemes for tarsands more jobs, better jobs, and longer lasting ones are waiting in alternatives and efficiencies. Venture Capital firms have come out and said they would love to have the gov. sucess ratios for the money lent to offset the hundred plus years of favoring and supporting fossil fuesl and that even includes Solyndra because start ups typically have a high mortaility rate.

    Looking more closely at the Third world we see real solutions as the ones that puts the locals in charge of things that work best for different places but have much in common. For instance last mile solutions include bike business, trundle pumps, drip irrigation, on the spot alternatives like sun/wind/geothermal and many other great ideas for the less than 2 dollar a day people.

    Population is deeply tied into the need for the ongoing campaign of denial. Denial of global warming and the 3.7 million premature deaths from carbon pollution even before global warming begs for some better debates and decisions of almost all of us not just the investors or corrupted governments increasingly run for and by the caron companies and others. The bias is toward growth and not just growth as today it becomes growth at all costs. From the warings of Lincoln to Eisenhower we see many inbetween that growth has to be challenged.

    Wether it is the native people looking out 7 generations or our churches.

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    Mercenary investing

    by billwilson1804 Nov 21, 2014 1:22 PM billwilson1804 Nov 26, 2014 1:09 PM Flag

    Thank you and you have a great one too. I have done volunteer work with some of the above groups like being on the clean air alert team at Sierr Club so I know you are doing a good job too. After many decades of watching the pragmatic way of government/business toward moving away from carbon burning it becomes more clear they have and continue to fight regulation rather than work for alternatives and efficiencies and now fund groups like right wing talk hosts, and PR Astroturf groups to attack the above group members. Some key insiders lobbying for the industries of carbon call for all out war on anyone questioning their growth at all cost growth strategies. Considering the eco and genocide and destruction of government etc. that makes almost everyone taking a position we see the leverage not sustainable and destructive to our markets and people.

  • So here is a company with about 80cents of cash per share? A large sounding 379 million of cash but 23 billion of dept. That is B for Billion giving longs a current ration of .65 and an iffy book of 31 so one can only speculate how wasted the tangible book value is. No wonder these large cap. carbon related companies need to corrupt our government and get the endless costs kept off their books like the destroyed lives and environment. I have great empathy for the elders holding this hopeful the dividends will sustain them or pass it down but that will take more government corruption and borrowing/leverage.

    Problems are that all Americans and the rest of the world is forced to take a positon to pay this unpayable dept off and should the real costs come due my guess is it will make Enron look like a child's piggy bank being stolen. Who knows how many times the company can be leveraged to deny everything now up to and including every scientific organization in the world that tells us we need to leave most of the carbon in the ground and certainly the dirtiest of tarsands this company is willing to arrest citizens rather than face reality.

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